Header idea?

[tom7322]

Originally Posted by SPCBA

Great post. I bought kooks because of the quality of materials. Quality of labor. Quality of fitment. Quality of performance. Also I love me some America, would much rather pay fellow Americans for a quality product and reward them for their RnD, their willingness to provide great products for a very small demographic, and their support of the American work force and economy.

If I can help it I wont buy a Chinese knock off with exploited labor. With no RnD done theirselves. Piss poor materiels. Piss poor workmanship. If you would rather support a countries economy that exploits their own people, murder their own people, and are our countries enemy in terms of philosophy and economy and militarily then have at it.

God bless America, the United States Military, and our beautiful freedoms.

Thank GOD there are some who still would rather buy american made goods!
Keep americans working. I for one love to see that MADE in AMERICA STICKER.

[litle88]

Amen!!

[litle88]

Maryland Speed it's pointless as usual.

Let's stop before we get accused of raping the horses and killing the women. These views are from years of giving in to liberals that are really in it for themselves. It's the "ME" culture/society.

[GMTool]

Originally Posted by litle88

Maryland Speed it's pointless as usual.

Let's stop before we get accused of raping the horses and killing the women. These views are from years of giving in to liberals that are really in it for themselves. It's the "ME" culture/society.

Exactly litle88

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'd rather pay less money for a "shitty" header that performs just as well and lasts just as long as the best instead of paying an outrageous price for a header that performs just as well and lasts just as long as as a "shitty" header...lol, get it??!!

If everyone had your view, there would be no american made headers. and the chinese would have to create and design the headers. If they can even do that, it would then increase the price.


be happy there is people like me and the rest of the kook headers buyers to keep them in business, so the chinese have some one to rip off. and a way for the people like you to get a cheaper header.

and you wonder why china is doing so well. just take a look at your comment.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

If everyone had your view, there would be no american made headers. and the chinese would have to create and design the headers. If they can even do that, it would then increase the price.


be happy there is people like me and the rest of the kook headers buyers to keep them in business, so the chinese have some one to rip off. and a way for the people like you to get a cheaper header.

and you wonder why china is doing so well. just take a look at your comment.

Lol, so I got ripped off by less than $700 from a Chinese company...you got ripped off by about $1200 from an American company. If your math puts you ahead then I'll just try to make it through with this extra $500!!

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Lol, so I got ripped off by less than $700 from a Chinese company...you got ripped off by about $1200 from an American company. If your math puts you ahead then I'll just try to make it through with this extra $500!!

you realize that comment made zero sense to what i said right ? the whole point was over your head ?

[rberns]

liberals

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

you realize that comment made zero sense to what i said right ? the whole point was over your head ?

Typical response...

[thesaint]

Originally Posted by rberns

liberals

Really surprised and disappointed that the moderator's put up with the political BS that seems to have infected, up till now, a great car forum.

[tom7322]

[POS Dakota]

The TV has done a really good job brainwashing people into blindly worshipping something that contiinuously sticks them in their own backside be they aware of it or not...

It's not like some chinaman had a revelatiion one morning..."I think I'll make camaro headers!" Some American who was tired of paying the equivalent of 10 year olds over here, went to china and placed the order so he could make a living.

FACT: Everything that currently plagues this country is a product of the same.

The fact that a camaro costs 40 grand now vs 2500 bucks or whataever else have you is america's fault. Not anyone else's And that's just the tip of the iceberg. All of america's problems here and abroad are MADE HERE. Whether people want to wake up and face it or not is on them, I dont care. But facts are facts.

Now enough political crap...

If one picks up a set of kooks and a set of OBX headers and looks at them without having any clue where they come from or which 10 year old made them, only one thing really stands outside of the subtle differences...the price diifference. And there is really no major difference in quality or function between the two. There is still only the price. They are both stainless steel headers and they both work.

Anyone got dyno numbers of the two?

So what fool will pay double the price for what amounts to the same thing? Nuff said!!! And to fault the individual who did save 500 bucks is audacious because it implies they should have just handed tha extra money away like it doesnt matter...and we all know IT DOES.

Normally when something i do isnt as good as something the other guy does, the last thing I do is throw myself on the floor and have a hairy coniption and make an ass of myself. What I do is take notes and do what I have to do to compete. That's because the competition isnt taking a break to watch me cry, nor do they care.

Does kooks concede defeat? Or are they going to compete? Because the American who is sitting in his hot tub drinking up on his OBX header deal is laughing all the way to the bank...and it seems clear that it isnt to any detriment of any customers. They seem happy with what they got.

It's none of anyone's business who buys what and no one has any say in the matter and it's nice to see that people with a smaller budget have options as opposed to being excluded.* It's nice to see someone can stretch the money they have to do more.

Ultimately, the ones who cry on this subject every time it's brought up will be shopping at wal mart soon enough if they dont start being competitive and stop being sore.

Bickering is a waste of time.

We once made almost all of the cars in the world...but because of the greed mentality that no longer works and all of the bickering and refusal to compete...how much of that market do we own now? uh huh.
Header manufacturers take note.

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by POS Dakota

The TV has done a really good job brainwashing people into blindly worshipping something that contiinuously sticks them in their own backside be they aware of it or not...

It's not like some chinaman had a revelatiion one morning..."I think I'll make camaro headers!" Some American who was tired of paying the equivalent of 10 year olds over here, went to china and placed the order so he could make a living.

FACT: Everything that currently plagues this country is a product of the same.

The fact that a camaro costs 40 grand now vs 2500 bucks or whataever else have you is america's fault. Not anyone else's And that's just the tip of the iceberg. All of america's problems here and abroad are MADE HERE. Whether people want to wake up and face it or not is on them, I dont care. But facts are facts.

Now enough political crap...

If one picks up a set of kooks and a set of OBX headers and looks at them without having any clue where they come from or which 10 year old made them, only one thing really stands outside of the subtle differences...the price diifference. And there is really no major difference in quality or function between the two. There is still only the price. They are both stainless steel headers and they both work.

Anyone got dyno numbers of the two?

So what fool will pay double the price for what amounts to the same thing? Nuff said!!! And to fault the individual who did save 500 bucks is audacious because it implies they should have just handed tha extra money away like it doesnt matter...and we all know IT DOES.

Normally when something i do isnt as good as something the other guy does, the last thing I do is throw myself on the floor and have a hairy coniption and make an ass of myself. What I do is take notes and do what I have to do to compete. That's because the competition isnt taking a break to watch me cry, nor do they care.

Does kooks concede defeat? Or are they going to compete? Because the American who is sitting in his hot tub drinking up on his OBX header deal is laughing all the way to the bank...and it seems clear that it isnt to any detriment of any customers. They seem happy with what they got.

It's none of anyone's business who buys what and no one has any say in the matter and it's nice to see that people with a smaller budget have options as opposed to being excluded.* It's nice to see someone can stretch the money they have to do more.

Ultimately, the ones who cry on this subject every time it's brought up will be shopping at wal mart soon enough if they dont start being competitive and stop being sore.

Bickering is a waste of time.

We once made almost all of the cars in the world...but because of the greed mentality that no longer works and all of the bickering and refusal to compete...how much of that market do we own now? uh huh.
Header manufacturers take note.

Good thoughts POS Dakota. I agree with you that a person should be allowed to purchase what they want and not have to defend it to a self riotous brand bragger that acts like all they do is support US brands only regardless of price. Nothing wrong with paying more if that's your choice. But certainly nothing wrong with paying less for a header that performs very close to its competition. Is is equal quality? NO. But it does perform like it and that's what we're modding for!! Nobody should be jumping on anybody about their purchases! Period!

[Jason@JacFab]

Maybe... Kooks should just buy a batch of OBX headers, mark them up and resell them since it's supposedly already their design... There is your economy Kooks header right there.

Here's an interesting bit of info... Some time last year I received an email from a Chinese exhaust manufacturer that said they had Camaro headers... Just for kicks I told them to send me some pictures and pricing... They appeared to be a Kooks ripoff, looked nice in the pictures, but you never really know what kind of quality they are until you get them in your hands... My direct pricing on said headers? $199 a set. I thought to myself, wow, that's cheap, but would not commit to buying any until I saw the quality and tried a set on a car for fit... They agreed to ship me a set, but since it was only one set air freight was going to be about $500 (vs ~500 by sea for 10+ sets or $50/set shipping) so I passed trying them out, and figured if I really wanted headers I would just buy some from TSP.

Here's another... For the amount of money I have invested so far into creating my own brand CAI, I could have bought about 20 of any of the top dollar brands... There's a reason it costs more money to buy an American product, it's called R&D.