kenne bell or magnacharger?

[usmcjlp]

I love how someone posts a serious performance question on these forums and every moron feels the need to rant and not contribute anything of value.

For those of you who actually know what you're talking about (i.e. you've installed or driven these systems). I am comparing the Twin Screw to a Roots supercharger. I've researched both systems and spoken with Kenne Bell, Whipple, Techco(consists of former Saleen Engineers) and Magnusson. All confirm they are bringing systems to market. Techco is currently using a forum member's camaro as a test vehicle. Whipple confirmed today that they estimate 90 days to market.

I have been leaning towards the Twin screw because of all the sucess with Mustang and OEM applications. I understand the TS has a flatter torque curve than the roots with less parasitic loss.

I have never heard of a TS having heat related issues. Can whoever brought that up please give some more detail? All these systems are roughly 6-8K.

[gotpball44]

Originally Posted by ls7camaro

how is techco on the ls engines

-Dual Stage Intercooler System with Single-Pass Coolant Flow through the A-Frame (2) Intercoolers
-Large Capacity Heat Exchanger
-High Volume Intercooler Pump and Recovery Tank

They have 3 things for cooling. They even did test out in death valley and everything was perfectly fine.

They made sure to make cooling at the top of their list

[Matt TuneTime]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

Matt,

Not to dispute your claim here, but I'm a little confused at how boosted power adders are more suited for the track over the street???

It seems to me when you have all that power, it really comes down to putting it to the ground. We're talking shift points, final gear ratios... And so on...

Seems to me that Boost is only one piece to the puzzle...

Right and how the power hit's will determine how much changing you need to do ... No The maggie or twin screw is an instant tq monster good for the street more esp if you get caught in the wrong gear ... The Turbo or Procharger will be more forgiving as fas as traction goes at the track ...They hit softer and usually will carry more MPH there ....

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

Ehhh, I wouldnt use a turbo in a drag application..they work though..I like the instant torque of a SC just got to know how to drive it....Now on a road course a sc is more of a sane choice.

I would think CID would be more of the sane choice at a road coarse ...


Stock Motor with twin turbos .... show me a twin screw or maggie that will do that ... { they can but it will take a lot of mod's not on a stock motor ... } BTW this Vette weigh's over 3600lbs ...

Originally Posted by usmcjlp

I love how someone posts a serious performance question on these forums and every moron feels the need to rant and not contribute anything of value.

For those of you who actually know what you're talking about (i.e. you've installed or driven these systems). I am comparing the Twin Screw to a Roots supercharger. I've researched both systems and spoken with Kenne Bell, Whipple, Techco(consists of former Saleen Engineers) and Magnusson. All confirm they are bringing systems to market. Techco is currently using a forum member's camaro as a test vehicle. Whipple confirmed today that they estimate 90 days to market.

I have been leaning towards the Twin screw because of all the sucess with Mustang and OEM applications. I understand the TS has a flatter torque curve than the roots with less parasitic loss.

I have never heard of a TS having heat related issues. Can whoever brought that up please give some more detail? All these systems are roughly 6-8K.

I was trying to give you a very educated opinion...Also on my g8 I'm running a TVS1900 at the max at my IAT's are still lower then a KB at 2/3rd's it's rated power

[1320junkie]

Hey I am a N/A guy all of the way..here is a 9.97 N/A
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1569692457-post706.html

[Matt TuneTime]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

Hey I am a N/A guy all of the way..here is a 9.97 N/A
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1569692457-post706.html

Yes thats a nice pass but I would much rather drive a stock feeling and driving twin turbo or blower car any time ... Maybe I'm getting old or I like to have my cake and eat it to There is a place for BIG cube's also ...

[Speed74SS]

Originally Posted by usmcjlp

I love how someone posts a serious performance question on these forums and every moron feels the need to rant and not contribute anything of value.

For those of you who actually know what you're talking about (i.e. you've installed or driven these systems). I am comparing the Twin Screw to a Roots supercharger. I've researched both systems and spoken with Kenne Bell, Whipple, Techco(consists of former Saleen Engineers) and Magnusson. All confirm they are bringing systems to market. Techco is currently using a forum member's camaro as a test vehicle. Whipple confirmed today that they estimate 90 days to market.

I have been leaning towards the Twin screw because of all the sucess with Mustang and OEM applications. I understand the TS has a flatter torque curve than the roots with less parasitic loss.

I have never heard of a TS having heat related issues. Can whoever brought that up please give some more detail? All these systems are roughly 6-8K.

I think the new hybrid roots, TVS2300, has very little parastic loss compared to what the roots style used to be. I think the KB and Mag are pretty close in that category. I am going with the Mag myself, as it seems to be the best one for me.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by Speed74SS

I think the new hybrid roots, TVS2300, has very little parastic loss compared to what the roots style used to be. I think the KB and Mag are pretty close in that category. I am going with the Mag myself, as it seems to be the best one for me.

The magnusson system uses a TVS2300 blower.
- X

[ls7camaro]

i just watched a video of the lingenfelter magnacharged 2010 camaro (camera inside car) and it was very quiet, you have to really listen to hear it. The techco is very loud so i think i may go with them, unless kb is coming out soon with their kit, so i could hear theirs

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by Speed74SS

I think the new hybrid roots, TVS2300, has very little parastic loss compared to what the roots style used to be. I think the KB and Mag are pretty close in that category. I am going with the Mag myself, as it seems to be the best one for me.

KB uses a twin screw system

[gotpball44]

Originally Posted by ls7camaro

i just watched a video of the lingenfelter magnacharged 2010 camaro (camera inside car) and it was very quiet, you have to really listen to hear it. The techco is very loud so i think i may go with them, unless kb is coming out soon with their kit, so i could hear theirs

You gotta hear techco in person. Very amazing man! Not just saying that because my car is there. But i love how it sounds! Sounds so mean. But it could be quite if you are cruising and dont punch it.

[ls7camaro]

yea i know kb is twin screw. I love how the techco sounds like a centri at idle, but still has the twin screw whine

[Speed74SS]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

KB uses a twin screw system

Sorry - I was talking about parasitic loss being close to each other. I know the KB is a twin screw and the Mag is a roots hybrid. I did my research on them also and came away with Lingenfelter doing my car because of the TVS that they use and the reputation that they have. I also love the whine of the TVS, I don't care for a loud whine like the KB or others as this will be my daily driver.

[usmcjlp]

Magnacharger is available now. I'm impressed that lingenfelter is using it, they have been around tuning camaros for a very long time.

Whipple and Techco will be released shortly.

Kenne Bell is the unknown. I have called multiple times and always busy. I sent an email requesting specs and the response I received was "Yes we are working on one." They gave no further info.

The reason I would not choose a centrifugal or turbo is that both rely on engine rpm to spin up. So that at low rpms they make much less boost. If you look at the graph of their torque and horsepower curves you will see that they start off lower and peak very rapidly as the rpm increases. A roots or twinscrew has a much flatter curve because they are belt driven and produce boost even at low rpm.

That being said a turbo is capable of huge amounts of power. But more work is involved in the install.

A twinscrew can be bolt on. No need to drill the factory oil system. Save your parts and the car can be put back to stock.

I'm not knocking any system, just be aware of how the vehicle will drive after modification. It depends more on how you will use the system than peak horse power claims. Kenne Bell's website has tons of info in the FAQ section.

Remember boost doesn't destroy an engine, consistent excess rpm does. That is where the inertia is created that destroys engine and drivetrain components.

[usmcjlp]

Correction lingenfelter has been tuning corvettes for years, see typo above.