Acceleration

[Wilsonation]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

Wow... you are indeed central to lots of great roads. I envy you. You are going to have a blast with that car.

Haha! I can't wait! I'll have to post some videos of my favorite driving roads once I get the car.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Wilsonation

Yep. I would have. I live in an area with TONS of curvy roads with elevation changes. I love driving these roads. To me, the 1LE was a must. I heard the base SS is great, but the 1LE for only $3,500 is the best "mod" you could do. So just on the handling point alone I would have ordered it. I know it's faster on the track and through turns. The whole idea is why I ordered it. I was just trying to prove a point is all.

Any chance that car will ever see either of the road courses at NJMP?

Originally Posted by gajagfan

I wonder if the stretched rear tires of the 1LE has a smaller outside diameter than the OD of the standard SS rear tires. A smaller rear tire would give you a touch higher gear ratio.....am I reaching?

Not reaching at all. The 285/35-20 is about 1" shorter than a 275/40-20. This is comparable to swapping 3.45 axle gears into a car that originally came with 3.31's.

There actually is a very small variance in tire OD caused by varying the wheel width that the tire is mounted on. But it's a small enough effect that you can ignore it.


Norm

[Wilsonation]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Any chance that car will ever see either of the road courses at NJMP?

Certainly wouldn't be out of the question. Would have to have something else going on for me way out there though for me to make that trip. More than likely I'd run here: http://motoseries.com/motorcycle_track_pa_beaverun.htm

I haven't heard anything about the track, and it's hard to navigate the site on my phone, but it looks like an alright track.

[Fraxum]

In the real non-Motor Trend world, the 1LE is not any faster than a standard SS 0-60, in the 1/8th, or in the quarter mile. Motor Trend did not run this time at a quarter mile track, it was an instrumented quarter mile. Could they have made a mistake? Could this be Motor Trend?

No one in a 1LE has come close to a 12.5 (current LS3 #! fast time) in a stock 1LE. Stock I ran right along side an equally driven LS3 SS with a similar 60'. And getting a really good 60' is very hard in a 1LE. The tires are not made for drag racing and the 3.91 gear gives no advantage. On the dynos 1LEs pull like other '13 and up SSes. 1LEs are not lighter, even the rear tire/wheel setup saves less than 2 pounds. And even with the slightly shorter tire height, you have to shift into 4th in the quarter. In a standard 1LE you do not.

But who cares? The 1LE s a steal for the $$ and a blast to drive on any track.

I think we have been through this before.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Any chance that car will ever see either of the road courses at NJMP?



Not reaching at all. The 285/35-20 is about 1" shorter than a 275/40-20. This is comparable to swapping 3.45 axle gears into a car that originally came with 3.31's.

There actually is a very small variance in tire OD caused by varying the wheel width that the tire is mounted on. But it's a small enough effect that you can ignore it.


Norm

Not sure if I'm understanding you correctly.
The less tall tire on the 1LE would have to shorten the gearing beyond 3.91. Stretching it will shorten it even slightly more.

[Orange Crush 1LE]

Originally Posted by Wilsonation

Certainly wouldn't be out of the question. Would have to have something else going on for me way out there though for me to make that trip. More than likely I'd run here: http://motoseries.com/motorcycle_track_pa_beaverun.htm

I haven't heard anything about the track, and it's hard to navigate the site on my phone, but it looks like an alright track.

Do it, you'll love it. I'm addicted, there is nothing like the rush of tracking.

[Msmall143]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

In the real non-Motor Trend world, the 1LE is not any faster than a standard SS 0-60, in the 1/8th, or in the quarter mile. Motor Trend did not run this time at a quarter mile track, it was an instrumented quarter mile. Could they have made a mistake? Could this be Motor Trend?

No one in a 1LE has come close to a 12.5 (current LS3 #! fast time) in a stock 1LE. Stock I ran right along side an equally driven LS3 SS with a similar 60'. And getting a really good 60' is very hard in a 1LE. The tires are not made for drag racing and the 3.91 gear gives no advantage. On the dynos 1LEs pull like other '13 and up SSes. 1LEs are not lighter, even the rear tire/wheel setup saves less than 2 pounds. And even with the slightly shorter tire height, you have to shift into 4th in the quarter. In a standard 1LE you do not.

But who cares? The 1LE s a steal for the $$ and a blast to drive on any track.

I think we have been through this before.

op was asking 0-60. No tthat i've dome it, but I'd still line up against a stock ss and run them 0-60mph all day for a good amount of cash. I agree with you on strip time, i think the fastest i've seen posted was 12.8 uncorrected. there is more good SS drivers than there are 1le cars. and we all no the times are heavily dependant on driver but the 1le is at a disadvantage in 1/8 and quarter. personally i've never been interested in a 1/8 mile with a modern car. For that type of use and abuse i'd build an older vehicle that would be close to street legal. Now you got me thinking!

the 1le is actually a bit lighter. not much but there is a difference

this is from chevy
3,908 lbs. (manual 1SS Coupe)
3,946 lbs. (automatic 1SS Coupe)
1le 3,875 lbs.

Ive also seen
1ss manual 3908 lbs
1le 3875lbs
zl1 4120lbs
z28-3720lbs

and
Ss 3908 lbs (manual)
Ss. 3946 lbs (automatic)
1LE 3875 lbs
ZL1 4120 lbs



http://cdn.dealereprocess.com/cdn/br...014-camaro.pdf

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=305049&page=2

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Not sure if I'm understanding you correctly.
The less tall tire on the 1LE would have to shorten the gearing beyond 3.91.

Let me try a clearer illustration. Say you have two identical cars that both came with 3.31 axle gears and 275/40-20 rear tires as stock and they run absolutely dead-even in any acceleration test or race. They don't even have to be Camaros, so forget the 1LE and its different axle and tranny gearing.

On one of your identical cars you change the rear tires to 285/35-20 and find that except for having slightly different shift speeds, it accelerates just a tiny bit better in every gear than the car that's still on 275/40's.

Now you want the 275/40-20 tire car to match the acceleration of the 285/35 car while keeping the 275/40's. If you swap the 3.31's out of the 275/40 car for 3.45's you'll be almost exactly back to dead-even accelerations again.

Stretching it will shorten it even slightly more.

Yes. By about 0.1" for every inch you go wider with the wheel from the "measuring width" wheel. There are only a few situations where this might matter.


Norm

[Msmall143]

^ good explanation man!

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by Msmall143

op was asking 0-60. No tthat i've dome it, but I'd still line up against a stock ss and run them 0-60mph all day for a good amount of cash. I agree with you on strip time, i think the fastest i've seen posted was 12.8 uncorrected. there is more good SS drivers than there are 1le cars. and we all no the times are heavily dependant on driver but the 1le is at a disadvantage in 1/8 and quarter. personally i've never been interested in a 1/8 mile with a modern car. For that type of use and abuse i'd build an older vehicle that would be close to street legal. Now you got me thinking!

the 1le is actually a bit lighter. not much but there is a difference

this is from chevy
3,908 lbs. (manual 1SS Coupe)
3,946 lbs. (automatic 1SS Coupe)
1le 3,875 lbs.

Ive also seen
1ss manual 3908 lbs
1le 3875lbs
zl1 4120lbs
z28-3720lbs

and
Ss 3908 lbs (manual)
Ss. 3946 lbs (automatic)
1LE 3875 lbs
ZL1 4120 lbs



http://cdn.dealereprocess.com/cdn/br...014-camaro.pdf

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=305049&page=2

Agreed on the driver point you made. Good one. I disagree on 0-60 issue. I have owned both an SS and a 1LE and raced SSes with my 1LE at the track. Why would the 1LE be faster to 60 if it is harder to launch?

It's a driver's race as you pointed out. But the 1LE has no inherent advantage.

I am also thinking like you about a lighter car. A swap I see at the strip has me thinking. How about an RX7 with an LS3? Well under 3,000 pounds and lots of room to work on the engine. And you can make it handle.

[Msmall143]

It would be faster cause its cooler!

Cooler adds at least 25 hp!

[StoutSnout]

Originally Posted by Msmall143

op was asking 0-60. No tthat i've dome it, but I'd still line up against a stock ss and run them 0-60mph all day for a good amount of cash. I agree with you on strip time, i think the fastest i've seen posted was 12.8 uncorrected. there is more good SS drivers than there are 1le cars. and we all no the times are heavily dependant on driver but the 1le is at a disadvantage in 1/8 and quarter. personally i've never been interested in a 1/8 mile with a modern car. For that type of use and abuse i'd build an older vehicle that would be close to street legal. Now you got me thinking!

the 1le is actually a bit lighter. not much but there is a difference

this is from chevy
3,908 lbs. (manual 1SS Coupe)
3,946 lbs. (automatic 1SS Coupe)
1le 3,875 lbs.

Ive also seen
1ss manual 3908 lbs
1le 3875lbs
zl1 4120lbs
z28-3720lbs

and
Ss 3908 lbs (manual)
Ss. 3946 lbs (automatic)
1LE 3875 lbs
ZL1 4120 lbs



http://cdn.dealereprocess.com/cdn/br...014-camaro.pdf

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=305049&page=2

where did you get the 3720 weight for the Z/28? I thought it was 300 pounds less than the ZL1.

[Msmall143]

Originally Posted by StoutSnout

where did you get the 3720 weight for the Z/28? I thought it was 300 pounds less than the ZL1.

It was posted on here. I've also heard 300 lbs

[Wilsonation]

Originally Posted by Wilsonation

Certainly wouldn't be out of the question. Would have to have something else going on for me way out there though for me to make that trip. More than likely I'd run here: http://motoseries.com/motorcycle_track_pa_beaverun.htm

I haven't heard anything about the track, and it's hard to navigate the site on my phone, but it looks like an alright track.

Now looking at it on my computer, I can see that this is a motorcycle track. -_- Couldn't tell on my cell phone.