Camaro Z/28 Flying Car Logic mode

[OldScoolCamaro]

We have been all though this over and over. Cost wasn't a concern with the development of the Z/28. It came in right, but not by historical measure. The business climate<model versus price, along with development> evolved differently between what the Z/28 should have been and the introduction of the ZL1. Their place in time and space with the technological advancements and mission statements reflect their worth...but 2016 brings forth a clean sheet of paper. Perhaps GM will allign the Universe and make it riight.

[Kevlar382]

Its to bad we couldn't get the 3.91 gears in the ZL1. That alone would have made it a quicker track car if that's why you bought one. For 2015 it would be nice if you could order the brakes, tires, wheels, and gears from the Z/28 on a ZL1. ( I know you would have to change the complete rear end to get the gears. ) Being able to order a 1LE with an LS7 would make a really nice car too. A little more user friendly than the Z/28.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by doc7000

It is really apples and oranges these two cars....

I don't understand the jealousy that some seem to have toward the Z/28 as if they want it to be slow or slower then the ZL1. These are two different vehicles produced really for two different reasons, the ZL1 is first and foremost a street car. If you are going to buy one of these cars to be your only car then the ZL1 is honestly the only vehicle that you can buy.

People get caught up with track times, even if the ZL1 Camaro could with the Z/28 tires match the Z/28s lap times (and I highly doubt this). How many consecutive lap times can the ZL1 do this for? the Z/28 is not only lighter however packs giant carbon ceramic disc brakes and being N/A will not fatigue as quickly as the ZL1 Camaro. The only thing that I can think of to reduce the Z/28s laptimes with parts bin parts is to add the new 8 speed Ty with a rumored 120MS shift time.

It isn't good enough just to slap Z/28 tires on the ZL1, you would have to retune the suspension to take better advantage of the added grip. Then you would have to slap on the carbon ceramic disc brakes then do something to deal with heat soak for repeated runs.

I remember we went through the same thing twice before. Some people were saying well all I need to do is upgrade my suspension and throw a supercharger on my SS and outrun a ZL1...
Then also from day one we had some V6 people saying all they needed to do was add turbos or a supercharger to their V6 and beat SSs.
It's all about model Envy, I just don't understand why people have to act that way. Enjoy what you have and be happy Chevy has so many choices that fits everyone's needs and budget.

[Todd in Vancouver]

If these comments are about what I posted then you couldn't be more wrong. Not jealous or envious of the Z/28 at all, it's an incredible car. The ZL is fast in its own right but it also got slapped down by '69 Camaro called Red Devil so anything can beat beat by anything given enough cash.

Guess I misunderstood this forum in that car guys could discuss car things. My comment was very clear, cars should be compared back to back with all things being equal. regardless of model or brand. Yes the Z/28 will be faster, no doubt. How much? Where? Why? Not looking for a argument where people get bent and call others jealous and envious. Obviously I was expecting to much, I'll punch out of this conversation and go work on my '67.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Kevlar382

Its to bad we couldn't get the 3.91 gears in the ZL1. That alone would have made it a quicker track car if that's why you bought one. For 2015 it would be nice if you could order the brakes, tires, wheels, and gears from the Z/28 on a ZL1. ( I know you would have to change the complete rear end to get the gears. ) Being able to order a 1LE with an LS7 would make a really nice car too. A little more user friendly than the Z/28.

That's the point! You can't! They are what they are. It's no different than wanting forged pistons in the engine, it just doesn't come that way.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Todd in Vancouver

If these comments are about what I posted then you couldn't be more wrong. Not jealous or envious of the Z/28 at all, it's an incredible car. The ZL is fast in its own right but it also got slapped down by '69 Camaro called Red Devil so anything can beat beat by anything given enough cash.

Guess I misunderstood this forum in that car guys could discuss car things. My comment was very clear, cars should be compared back to back with all things being equal. regardless of model or brand. Yes the Z/28 will be faster, no doubt. How much? Where? Why? Not looking for a argument where people get bent and call others jealous and envious. Obviously I was expecting to much, I'll punch out of this conversation and go work on my '67.

Not your posts but others in this thread and in other similar Z/28 threads.
Discussing merits of one cars abilities over another as they come from the factory is all that is a valid discussion. Some people want to skew the results by changing equipment on one of the cars. Either car can be modded to be better. But that is not the point.
In my opinion there should be some things the ZL1 does better than a Z/28 and there should be some things the Z/28 does better than a ZL1. Different cars for different types of use.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Discussing merits of one cars abilities over another as they come from the factory is all that is a valid discussion. Some people want to skew the results by changing equipment on one of the cars. Either car can be modded to be better. But that is not the point.
In my opinion there should be some things the ZL1 does better than a Z/28 and there should be some things the Z/28 does better than a ZL1. Different cars for different types of use.

True, a car can be built to be a "master" at the drags strip, a "master" at the track or very capable at both. Being a "master" of all...HyperCar territory.

[OldScoolCamaro]

...my post was...and I'll swear my life on it...the picture was taken at the same place at the same track as the ZL1 in a hot lap....marketing...yeay...it caught air cause of a rise in the road surface at speed...gee wiz go figure....you didn't do this as a teenager at some point?

[gen=5]

yes that is correct,more of the truth comes out...Its not just the few 100lbs it lost that makes it faster or the tires or the brakes ,but the fact that they have add another ptm mode to it !!!! yes if you take 5 sec's off of the ZL1 times they are much closer to each other......funny how they waited to tell everyone until the release date got closer to keep the hype up.

if they had said in the beginning that it was the main reason then the talk would of been more about the mode than the new parts added to the car,and how anyone can purchase them to make a track monster....

good luck adding all the parts and cutting those lap times with any gen5 ,as at any track that system will help when even just one side of the car is lifted up going over the lips on the corners in any ptm mode

anyway its part of the cars system,and while we may of been led to believe it was a great track car just because of all the weight loss,and the parts either left off or new ones added it doesn't matter,or does it take away from what the car really is,a great american production car with a great racing history that we are lucky enough to be able to purchase if we so choose to do so...

There is another bright side to this,is that the flying mode can and may be added to other models next yr... i want flying mode dont you ?
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[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by Todd in Vancouver

If these comments are about what I posted then you couldn't be more wrong. Not jealous or envious of the Z/28 at all, it's an incredible car. The ZL is fast in its own right but it also got slapped down by '69 Camaro called Red Devil so anything can beat beat by anything given enough cash.

Guess I misunderstood this forum in that car guys could discuss car things. My comment was very clear, cars should be compared back to back with all things being equal. regardless of model or brand. Yes the Z/28 will be faster, no doubt. How much? Where? Why? Not looking for a argument where people get bent and call others jealous and envious. Obviously I was expecting to much, I'll punch out of this conversation and go work on my '67.

...dude, post what you want to say,...and don't be annoyed if some jerk jumps on you. You have a voice...and a good one...use it!