What's this world coming too now a days?

[Mythic]

Originally Posted by FloridaAnimator

You can pull articles related to school violence going back for years and years and years. I've not read in any of the previous posts someone stating that there is no violence in schools and never has been. The point you are missing is that the incidents are INCREASING, and have been for the passed few years. You can find any number of stories out there related to a sporadic incident that happened 40 to 50 to 60 years ago. Today, it's become a weekly to monthly occurance.

And the point is, simply as I can state it, without a Higher power to be accountable to, there is no feeling of consequence. We've taken away the reason to try to be better than yesterday because we keep allowing depravity and lawlessness seep in like a flesh-eating virus. We are destroying ourselves from the inside in the name of 'freedom to choose'.

Today we can wistfully look back at the 50s and say, Ahh what a wonderful time it was. The air was clear and the children obediant. I can even hear little bluebirds whistling! Even in the 50s they did't believe that. However, even then when they were "reporting" that the teens of the day were wild and out of control, they weren't really much different than the teens of prior generations. huh, prior generations? Killing the principal, your teacher and all your classmates kinda changes things a little, don't cha think?

Eisenhower is pretty much saying right here that this is new and recent. that in the 50s and 60s it didnt happen. Well jackboot somewhere else. It did.

Even into the 1890s there was a move to separate School and Church.
So Teen pregnancy going up .. no
Dropout rates going up .. no

Violence in schools is deplorable under any circumstances. However, the blanket statement that the violence is increasing is almost impossible to prove or disprove. How the media covers these things has changed so radically in the last 5 decades as to be unrecognizable.

Teens killed by handguns (self inflicted) in the 40s-60s were typically labeled "accidental". Today they are most often catagorized as suicides. Even with the shift in how these are being reported the % increase in Teen suicides has been very small. Even today the rate of Teen suicide is the lowest of any age group in the population save only the pre-teen age group.

Separating Church from School does not sever children from religion. The parents are still the ultimate authority in promoting or dissuading them from what religion to practice. It is still Your place to teach Your children responsibility and set a moral compass.

Don't confuse religion with spirituality,
Don't assume that everyone without religion is an evil immoral person.
Don't assume that everyone with religion isn't.

[Eisenhower]

Eisenhower is pretty much saying right here that this is new and recent. that in the 50s and 60s it didnt happen. Well jackboot somewhere else. It did.
No I'm not. I'm not so naive as to think that. Killings of all sorts have been going on since the beginning of time, and that my friend is nothing new. You made reference to generations prior to the 50's, and I can guarantee you that public schools are worse now than ever. You don't install metal detectors and have the local police patrol your school halls and then say, "things are not getting worse." If they're not getting worse, then why is a cash-strapped organization like the public school system footin' the bill for added security?

Even into the 1890s there was a move to separate School and Church.
So Teen pregnancy going up .. no
Dropout rates going up .. no
Ok, a "move" is not the same as it actually happening? It actually did happen and teen pregnancies are up. Since abortion was made law in the early 70's, there have been over 50 million American babies killed. These aren't just married folks that don't want kids right now, they include kids that are too young to be having more kids.

However, the blanket statement that the violence is increasing is almost impossible to prove or disprove. How the media covers these things has changed so radically in the last 5 decades as to be unrecognizable.
Like I said, if you're cash-strapped you don't spend the extra money to pay for silly, unnecessary things like police officers and metal detectors. These aren't isolated occurrences here. Schools "now have" a Zero Tolerance policy, where was that in the 50's and 60's? Zero tolerance policies are not created and implemented for being caught in the hall without a hall pass. The school system made this policy because they recognize that things are getting out of hand.

If you mention gun, bomb, killing someone; even if you're joking with a pal- you're going downtown buddy. They recognize the seriousness and reality of this, but you don't?

[FloridaAnimator]

Originally Posted by Mythic

Eisenhower is pretty much saying right here that this is new and recent. that in the 50s and 60s it didnt happen. Well jackboot somewhere else. It did.
(Jackboot? ) Um, anyway, I believe we're all agreeing it has/did/was/is/will be/continuing to happen in other places....(Jackboot?)




Violence in schools is deplorable under any circumstances. However, the blanket statement that the violence is increasing is almost impossible to prove or disprove. How the media covers these things has changed so radically in the last 5 decades as to be unrecognizable.
I guarantee that if there was some type of school violence or random killing or a 'teen gone wild' it was still published in all the newspapers and talked about on all the TV stations. Yes, the media outlets are vast and the coverage is widespread, but only because the technology has evolved to where we can now have real-time updates on what's going on in the world. HOWEVER, that does not change the fact that if something went on before our tech-outbreak, you better believe it was all over the news. (Jackboot?)


Separating Church from School does not sever children from religion. The parents are still the ultimate authority in promoting or dissuading them from what religion to practice. It is still Your place to teach Your children responsibility and set a moral compass.
Yes, parents are the ultimate moral authority - or at least they should be. It's incredibly arrogant and ignorant for you to place the entire blame/burden on a parent's shoulder's for a child's morality. Parents are forced to daily fight with all the garbage the world fills our kids head with. Heck, it's a struggle to reconnect with our kids after they watch a half-hour TV show that feature bling and sex and party-all-the-time-without-EVER-facing-any-consequences kids. You try explaining to a pre-teen or teen that TV is fantasy when all their hopes and dreams are depicted Friday at 8! I'm thinking you have no children or you'd understand the battles we face every day for our children's very soul. You can very easily stand on the side lines and tell others how it should be and what should be done but until you're in the foxhole with me, Pal, please, keep it to yourself.

Don't confuse religion with spirituality
I don't.
Don't assume that everyone without religion is an evil immoral person.
Don't assume that everyone with religion isn't.

Religion is a law to be strictly followed or suffer the consequences of the sect which created it. Religion is a bondage and allows the one following it a false sense of morality which translates into 'i'm a good person'. Religion is the cause of many crushed and destroyed hearts of vunerable people everywhere.
Please don't confuse religion with RELATIONSHIP.
And don't assume that religion equates relationship.





(Jackboot?)

[Mythic]

You keep saying teen pregnancy is up. It isn't. The % of teens getting pregnant is down and has been going down for the last 2 decades.
From the #s the CDC reports, the % of abortions/1000 is down. Of those, women between the age of 20-25 constitute a higher % than those from 0-19
These are stats from Pro-Life sites.

School dropout %s are at the lowest in 40 years.

Im sorry, you can backpedal all you want, but you make a specific rebuttal to my comment that teens as whole aren't any worse today than they were in the 50s with a comment about killing teachers, classmates, principals etc.

I will certainly conceed that Schools are more dangerous today than 100, 50 or even 20 years ago. I worry about mine everyday. They are 14 and 12. I hold them when they are scared. I comfort them when they are hurt. I congratulate them when they pass and pick them up when they don't.

But to say that it is all because they don't make the kids pray is laughable.
What about the fact that Teacher wages are well behind the national averages. Or that class size has in some cases doubled. Or that there was no where near the artillery available on the street then that we have today.

You want your child to pray? Thats great, pray with them. I do. Don't dive right into the "Well if you were in an Islamic country..." argument. Becasue we aren't in a Fundamentalist state. The religion of Islam isn't the issue. Its how those states enforce it. My country has said they won't enforce any religion. I have the right to choose.

Religion is a law to be strictly followed or suffer the consequences of the sect which created it. Religion is a bondage and allows the one following it a false sense of morality which translates into 'i'm a good person'. Religion is the cause of many crushed and destroyed hearts of vunerable people everywhere.
Please don't confuse religion with RELATIONSHIP.
And don't assume that religion equates relationship.

So... which Sect do you want the School system to support?

[TAG UR IT]

Well.......


It doesn't look like it's getting too crazy in here yet. But, let's continue to DISCUSS with respect please.