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SpeedIsLife · 01-31-2015, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

The Chevy SS is a rebadged/skinned Pontiac G8.

Back in 2008 I was within 30 min of buying a G8 GT (using the same money I would use to get my Camaro the next year). They were visually catching, a great option and competitor for the Charger and frankly the superior in many ways. There are a number of reasons I didn't end up getting one, not the least of which was a super shady dealer who pulled the rug out from under me at the 11th hour.

For me what made the G8 GT such a great bargain was the price point, starting in 2008 at $29,995. Adjusted for inflation that is $32,980. That's Charger R/T territory today. The SS is not a bargain, at all, at $45,000 starting.

Frankly The SS felt more like a F*** YOU from Chevy to the fans who were screaming for a RWD V8 sedan. They brought over a great car, loaded it up, put it at a price point that a lot of people are not interested in, gave it a bland exterior, gave it a GG tax and made it so dealers could easily charge ADM's because it's "limited production" and difficult to get a hold of.

The G8 GT model was one that could have made Chevrolet a competitor in the full size, RWD market. Instead we got the absurdly and asininely named "SS" which only a few people even know about, even less want to buy and a fraction of those can get.

In my opinion as a car the SS is great, as a product and program from GM it is a dismal failure. The numbers may not agree with me, that's fine, I don't give a rip.

newagemuscle · 01-31-2015, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

The Chevy SS is a rebadged/skinned Pontiac G8.

That's just it, it has been skinned. When I say cosmetic, I mean it would have been nice to keep the original lines of the G8's sheet metal and revise the front and rear fascia. I actually prefer the lines of the G8 much more than I do Chevy SS. I feel like they washed a lot of the aggressiveness out of the look of the car.

Frank in MD · 01-31-2015, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Back in 2008 I was within 30 min of buying a G8 GT (using the same money I would use to get my Camaro the next year). They were visually catching, a great option and competitor for the Charger and frankly the superior in many ways. There are a number of reasons I didn't end up getting one, not the least of which was a super shady dealer who pulled the rug out from under me at the 11th hour.

For me what made the G8 GT such a great bargain was the price point, starting in 2008 at $29,995. Adjusted for inflation that is $32,980. That's Charger R/T territory today. The SS is not a bargain, at all, at $45,000 starting.

Frankly The SS felt more like a F*** YOU from Chevy to the fans who were screaming for a RWD V8 sedan. They brought over a great car, loaded it up, put it at a price point that a lot of people are not interested in, gave it a bland exterior, gave it a GG tax and made it so dealers could easily charge ADM's because it's "limited production" and difficult to get a hold of.

The G8 GT model was one that could have made Chevrolet a competitor in the full size, RWD market. Instead we got the absurdly and asininely named "SS" which only a few people even know about, even less want to buy and a fraction of those can get.

In my opinion as a car the SS is great, as a product and program from GM it is a dismal failure. The numbers may not agree with me, that's fine, I don't give a rip.

So you realistically expect the Holden Commodore VF to be the same price as the VE from 8 years ago, when the entire car was redone and is superior in every possible way? If the SS is overpriced, tell me what car can be had with close to the same options that equals or outperforms the SS?

The closest would be the Hyundai Genesis Sedan, but when equipped the way the SS is equipped it's a much more expensive sedan. The same w/ the SRT Charger 392. It's ten grand more than the SS when equipped the same way, plus the SS is a better all around car. I'm not sure why you referenced the Charger R/T? The R/T is now in the same class the G8 GT was but is far behind the SS. The Scat Pack is on par w/ the SS as it relates to performance but it's stripped down w/o being much less money.

BTW, you don't honestly think GM controls the way independent dealer franchises operate, right? They'll (dealers) mark up anything b/c we are in a free market economy. Lastly, GM doesn't place a GG taxes on anything, the government does that. 99% of the C5.com members chief complaint on the 5th gen Camaro were skip shift and AFM, I can't think of anyone that liked GM's attempt at avoiding the GG tax.

96MrBass · 01-31-2015, 01:18 PM

If someone likes a SS better than a hellcat how does that make them crazy or a fan boy? Some will draw to either one even if it has a 1000hp.

Denis · 01-31-2015, 02:31 PM

personally i would love an SS and a hellcat charger. im in the minority that actually likes how the SS looks. and i also like how the hellcat looks...not to mention the numbers. i mean 700 hp and over 200 mph?! i dont need either for a track car...thats not what their for. if you want a track car, a 4 door sedan isnt the obvious choice.

96MrBass · 01-31-2015, 03:30 PM

CTS-V no ? Cmon Denis lol

hotlap · 01-31-2015, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 96MrBass

CTS-V no ? Cmon Denis lol

Now your talking! I saw a CTS wagon today and commented to my wife how sweet a CTS-V wagon would be as a daily driver.

96MrBass · 01-31-2015, 07:13 PM

Hell yeah

HEMI DAVE · 02-01-2015, 09:35 PM

LEADfoot927 · 02-02-2015, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

He definitely wasn't pushing it as hard as he could. Should have shifted in higher gears in the corners to prevent wheel spin.

Loading..... · 02-02-2015, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LEADfoot927

He definitely wasn't pushing it as hard as he could. Should have shifted in higher gears in the corners to prevent wheel spin.

Huh? If he shifted in higher gears while in the corners his time would have been worse.

LEADfoot927 · 02-02-2015, 08:48 PM

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Huh? If he shifted in higher gears while in the corners his time would have been worse.

I would think if he was a gear higher he could get more throttle without wheel spin. However I never raced at a autocross so I could be mistaken.

ilirg · 02-02-2015, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LEADfoot927

He definitely wasn't pushing it as hard as he could. Should have shifted in higher gears in the corners to prevent wheel spin.

Yeah I'm sure you can teach Randy Pobst a thing or two about driving

LEADfoot927 · 02-03-2015, 01:21 AM

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Yeah I'm sure you can teach Randy Pobst a thing or two about driving

I'm sure he has me beat. I would be as good at his profession as he would be mine. Just In my experience I go a gear higher is situations where I would spin excessively.

01-31-2015, 01:18 PM	#46
96MrBass Drives: GM Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Marydel, DE Posts: 1,321	If someone likes a SS better than a hellcat how does that make them crazy or a fan boy? Some will draw to either one even if it has a 1000hp. __________________ Roto- Fab Cai, SLP 1 3/4" headers, 3"X pipe, LM2 cat back, Comp Cam & AI Heads, SLP UP, RPM Tuned, GPI Intake, Vmax TB, ADM Air Scoop, 3.91 Gears, Gforce driveshaft, Braille 21#, Elite Catch Can, Pfadt Tie Rods, Diff Bushings and Trailing arms, Eibach spings & sways, BMR cradle bushings, Nt555r's.

01-31-2015, 02:31 PM	#47
Denis Drives: 2010 SS Join Date: May 2012 Location: Yorktown Heights, NY Posts: 7,695 View My Garage	personally i would love an SS and a hellcat charger. im in the minority that actually likes how the SS looks. and i also like how the hellcat looks...not to mention the numbers. i mean 700 hp and over 200 mph?! i dont need either for a track car...thats not what their for. if you want a track car, a 4 door sedan isnt the obvious choice. __________________

01-31-2015, 03:30 PM	#48
96MrBass Drives: GM Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Marydel, DE Posts: 1,321	CTS-V no ? Cmon Denis lol __________________ Roto- Fab Cai, SLP 1 3/4" headers, 3"X pipe, LM2 cat back, Comp Cam & AI Heads, SLP UP, RPM Tuned, GPI Intake, Vmax TB, ADM Air Scoop, 3.91 Gears, Gforce driveshaft, Braille 21#, Elite Catch Can, Pfadt Tie Rods, Diff Bushings and Trailing arms, Eibach spings & sways, BMR cradle bushings, Nt555r's.

01-31-2015, 07:13 PM	#50
96MrBass Drives: GM Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Marydel, DE Posts: 1,321	Hell yeah Attached Images __________________ Roto- Fab Cai, SLP 1 3/4" headers, 3"X pipe, LM2 cat back, Comp Cam & AI Heads, SLP UP, RPM Tuned, GPI Intake, Vmax TB, ADM Air Scoop, 3.91 Gears, Gforce driveshaft, Braille 21#, Elite Catch Can, Pfadt Tie Rods, Diff Bushings and Trailing arms, Eibach spings & sways, BMR cradle bushings, Nt555r's.