New Camaro owner - Rival co-worker is a Mustang owner; need info to defend my car

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by xgng

Which Magazine specifically did you read where they compared the ZL1 and the Shelby, and the ZL1 was rated higher?

Motor Trend
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._shelby_gt500/
"After three rounds, the winner, by a closer margin than we ever expected, is the Chevrolet Camaro ZL1. On the street and on the track, its solid chassis, well-controlled body motions, planted suspension, and unshakeable confidence edged it over the more powerful Shelby."

Car and Driver
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...on-test-review
"More than the GT500, the ZL1 aggressively lifts the bar, proving that big American muscle can venture beyond sheer horsepower and drag-strip numbers and into the realm of the sports car."

Automobile Magazine
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews..._shelby_gt500/
"From an on-track perspective there is no contest. For this year, at least, the victory well and truly belongs to the ZL1. Its handling capabilities far exceed the straight-line advantage owned by the Shelby. "

There are more...but this should do...

[geforce]

Stock zl1 vs Stock gt500

[SSJ455]

Just say, "It's a Camaro." It works when Batman says, "I'm Batman." It is a valid response to any argument.

[Dutchman427]

A lot of magazine motorheads on this thread! Wooooooo-weeeeeeee

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by Dutchman427

Times have not changed. Why do you think the new C7 Z06 is getting ragged on so much? It is not performing on the street as well as the 1/4 mile like people expected. I believe the car did pretty well on the road course but do you see guys posting videos of that? No you see videos of the car getting walked the majority of the time. It is unfortunate, but that is how these cars are judged. Most cannot relate to road racing.

Well, that's your view, but even back in 1970, US made muscle cars were getting comments about handling, and in a good way, from car mags. Cars like the '70 Trans Am.

Then there was Shelby American, making road course cars like the Cobra 289 and 427 for competition. Sports car racing was very much active alive and well in the '60s in the US. Lotus Super 7s were popular in the US for racing. So were Porsches. Grand Sport Corvettes were made. Camaro z/28s. The Mustang GT350R. GT40s. Chaparrals. Dan Gurney's All American racers (AAR 'Cuda) and Anglo-American Racers (Gurney-Weslake F1 Eagle; see sig pic).

And that's just from 45 to 50 years ago. SCCA, Trans Am...your personal view is "this is America 1/4 mile is what matters". OK. But tell the folks at Watkins Glen.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Would you buy a rake and then buy a shovel head and swap it on the rake so you had a shovel?

This made me laugh.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by Dutchman427

A lot of magazine motorheads on this thread! Wooooooo-weeeeeeee

Where else would you get this kind of info on cars. Personally I like to hear Randy Pobst's evaluations and the technical data compiled. How many of us would have the money or opportunity to evaluate a car at this level. Did you realize the Z28 came in second overall in the Continental tire sports car challenge, their first year in the series. That is real world results if you don't like magazine reviews.

Via lightning from a large Hammer.

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by Dutchman427

A lot of magazine motorheads on this thread! Wooooooo-weeeeeeee

A lot of negativity in your posts! Wooooooo-weeeeeeee.

[chevi286]

To summarize, stock vs stock, 2013, 2014 gt500 wins at the drag strip, road racing track belongs to the zl1. Furthermore, you might remind your friend that modding the zl1 for power is a much cheaper option than modifying the gt 500 to handle, and in fact there is no IRS mod for the gt500 and no magnetic ride suspension.

[Dutchman427]

Negativity? I did not say anything negative, just being realistic. The '13 GT500 is a more potent STREET car than the ZL1. There is no getting around it, same with the Challenger Hellcat. All you guys that are telling the OP to start spewing times from Motortrend and Car & Driver are steering him in the wrong direction....must be an age thing though.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by Dutchman427

Negativity? I did not say anything negative, just being realistic. The '13 GT500 is a more potent STREET car than the ZL1. There is no getting around it, same with the Challenger Hellcat. All you guys that are telling the OP to start spewing times from Motortrend and Car & Driver are steering him in the wrong direction....must be an age thing though.

Yeah and I heard they will make the steering wheel optional next year for the gt500 and the Hell Kitty. Save some money since they really don't need them. Also, both cars were made after the ZL1, we will see how GM responds.

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[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by Dutchman427

Negativity? I did not say anything negative, just being realistic. The '13 GT500 is a more potent STREET car than the ZL1. There is no getting around it, same with the Challenger Hellcat. All you guys that are telling the OP to start spewing times from Motortrend and Car & Driver are steering him in the wrong direction....must be an age thing though.

Not spewing times. Quoting results from third parties that tested them both, same day, on the strip, road course and street.

[Dutchman427]

I think we all know how they are going to respond. They are going to start with LT1...eventually have a model with the LT4. At least the car will be lighter which will help.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by Dutchman427

Negativity? I did not say anything negative, just being realistic. The '13 GT500 is a more potent STREET car than the ZL1. There is no getting around it, same with the Challenger Hellcat. All you guys that are telling the OP to start spewing times from Motortrend and Car & Driver are steering him in the wrong direction....must be an age thing though.

Speaking of times, how do you know the gt500 and kitty Kat are faster than the ZL1 in the 1/4?

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