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Raven87 · 05-21-2015, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven59

I think Al had mentioned once that the gloves were off between the Camaros and Corvettes and may the best team win.

That would be awesome. They are two such distinctly different cars I don't even know why the 'Protect the Vette' philosophy has allowed to exist since the Camaro even came out in '67?

Who really cares? Only that elite, gold chain wearing, white chest hair showing, socks with sandals crowd in GM.

Raven87 · 05-21-2015, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBlock69RS

Oh really?

Please name one engine, trans, or suspension component or other major improvement that the camaro got before the vette?

Please name a motor that had equal or more hp than the vette had?

Vette is the Chevy flagship and Camaro will never get anything to exceed it period. Any improvements will debut in the vette camaro second.

100% true. Should not be but it is. Camaro has always played second fiddle to the Vette.

Overflow · 05-21-2015, 12:24 PM

I hate to be the one to break it to you guys... But there will be no ZL1.

Chevy is merging the Z/28 and ZL1 into one model.

Sven59 · 05-21-2015, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Overflow

I hate to be the one to break it to you guys... But there will be no ZL1.

Chevy is merging the Z/28 and ZL1 into one model.

Is that your opinion?

Raven87 · 05-21-2015, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Overflow

I hate to be the one to break it to you guys... But there will be no ZL1.

Chevy is merging the Z/28 and ZL1 into one model.

Very simple - prove it. Or is this just your opinion?

It makes sense that they would but there has not been anything announced and actually they are such differently targeted vehicles I can see why both exist.

However - it does not make sense to have both in today's world. It does for US as ZL1 enthusiasts, right?

But what I see is a Z/28 with upgrades in power to a future ZL1-like car or the reverse - a ZL1 with a Track/stripper package to give you the Z/28 performance. Makes sense to me.

Given that the Z/28 has a much longer history, I would bet that if only one moniker survives, the Z/28 would be the one. I hope not but it makes sense.

Raven87 · 05-21-2015, 12:37 PM

IF GM wants to battle Ford and Dodge then I think a strong case can be made for both a ZL1 and Z/28.

But what is their strategy? Go toe-to-toe with the Hellcat and GT500? Then if that, we will see another ZL1 - possibly. If not, I imagine the ZL1 will not reappear.

Since the Z/28 focus is more aimed at the previous Boss 302 and the GT350, it makes sense it will remain but who knows? There is a place for both in the Camaro enthusiats' world.

But - while there is a place for both types of performance, that doesn't mean that one platform could not be spec'd out to do either from an order sheet.

Jims Mongoose · 05-21-2015, 12:49 PM

I doubt that GM will miss the opportunity to put out a super ZL1. It may not be called a ZL1, but it will come. A 650 to 750 Hp car with all the extra new goodies will be irresistible to the current ZL1 owners. More luxury than the SS and more power with even better brakes, handling and such. a total winner. It will sell because many of us, myself included while we love the vettes and respect them we want the more room in the Camaro and love that platform and look.

Even though in the photos the C6 Camaro looks more European than it used to that car with the right accents and changes by GM and our own modes will be super muscular looking.

I also don't think they will not answer the GT350 or GT350R.

It will be a Z28 on the new platform and will show Ford you don't need a flat plane Crank.

I think the 1 LE will only be some peripheral options to the SS that will take it a step further. Maybe 500 HP from the factory.

That was probably 4.5 cents, but what the hell.

Jim

Raven87 · 05-21-2015, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jims Mongoose

I doubt that GM will miss the opportunity to put out a super ZL1. It may not be called a ZL1, but it will come. A 650 to 750 Hp car with all the extra new goodies will be irresistible to the current ZL1 owners. More luxury than the SS and more power with even better brakes, handling and such. a total winner. It will sell because many of us, myself included while we love the vettes and respect them we want the more room in the Camaro and love that platform and look.

Even though in the photos the C6 Camaro looks more European than it used to that car with the right accents and changes by GM and our own modes will be super muscular looking.

I also don't think they will not answer the GT350 or GT350R.

It will be a Z28 on the new platform and will show Ford you don't need a flat plane Crank.

I think the 1 LE will only be some peripheral options to the SS that will take it a step further. Maybe 500 HP from the factory.

That was probably 4.5 cents, but what the hell.

Jim

I've got to admit that I like how you are thinking. And, I hope it happens.

But I'm afraid that the ONLY way we may see a 700HP Camaro is if there is a 725+ Corvette.

Not that an uber-ZR1 C7 would be a bad thing, right?

Bhobbs · 05-21-2015, 01:24 PM

If GM's only option is the LT4, I would rather see the ZL1 continue over the Z/28. The ZL1 is already a heavier, high horsepower cruiser that is more well rounded. There is no reason to once again change the Z/28 when they already have the perfect badge in the ZL1.

If GM can produce another high winding n/a small block, continue the Z/28. If they can't, then let it go away again.

Dmpsix · 05-21-2015, 01:27 PM

Why are people making such a big deal out of this though?

Enjoy all these different variations of the 5th gen while they lasted, because through GM's history, it wont happen again.

Back in the 4th gen all there really was, was the SS and Z28 and both were monsters. Now we have the SS, 1LE, ZL1 and the Z28. Do you really think GM is going to go and make every single one of these models again? I doubt it.

What I think will happen is GM will release a 1LE and Z28 track based car, and then of course the supercharged beast that everyone will be looking for in a newer ZL1.

The 1LE was already destroying Ford's Boss 302, then Chevy came out and slapped them with a Z28 that was competing with Japanese monsters like the GT-R.
Speaking with GM Engineers at last year's Camarofest, it seemed like the Z28 when it debuted was more impressive than they ever imagined it would be. The engineers literally told us who were there, that they did not expect the Z28 to keep up with the GT-R, let alone beat it.

So with that being said, I think GM is going to leave the high performance Vette at the top of the list, like history indicates and have it compete with the super cars.

That's what the majority of consumers see that C7 Stingray to begin with anyways, a low cost American beast that can compete with Lamborghini's and Ferrari's for a fraction of the price.

I do honestly believe we wont see another 1LE, it might just be a Z28 instead and just leave the ZL1 out there for the Camaro enthusiast's.

2014CamaroZL1 · 05-21-2015, 01:36 PM

Not on the subject of power...

I read that the 6th Gen has a noticeably tighter interior.
Understandable as it is based on the ATS chassis.
But I do not want a car with a smaller interior.
I like the space inside the 5th Gen.

bobby35ny · 05-21-2015, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven59

I think Al had mentioned once that the gloves were off between the Camaros and Corvettes and may the best team win.

AL is a god here and of course I respect the work he's done on the Camaro!
That said...I don't believe a word that guy says anymore after the comment he made about the ZL1/GT500 HP wars, we all knew 580HP was not enough, we knew the rumors at the time the GT500 was getting 650, If we knew He HAD to know.

Water under the bridge at this point, Watch and see, If the new Camaro is a lot faster in the 1/4 mile than the mustang, They will say hey look how fast we are. If they add HP to the ford and the ford is quicker, they will say the Camaro is a "handling" car. LOL

-Bobby

goldcoastmat · 05-21-2015, 02:40 PM

I'm going to say we won't see a 1LE or a Z/28..

I'm expecting a ZL1 and an Iroc-Z...

ZL1 being the supercharged LT4 downtuned to be about 635 HP (they won't release a Camaro more powerful that the strongest Vette) and the Iroc being the road course version at around 500hp

O also expect a Capo...

Overflow · 05-21-2015, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven59

Is that your opinion?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raven87

Very simple - prove it. Or is this just your opinion?

It makes sense that they would but there has not been anything announced and actually they are such differently targeted vehicles I can see why both exist.

However - it does not make sense to have both in today's world. It does for US as ZL1 enthusiasts, right?

But what I see is a Z/28 with upgrades in power to a future ZL1-like car or the reverse - a ZL1 with a Track/stripper package to give you the Z/28 performance. Makes sense to me.

Given that the Z/28 has a much longer history, I would bet that if only one moniker survives, the Z/28 would be the one. I hope not but it makes sense.

It's not my opinion if it's been stated by GM.

05-21-2015, 12:37 PM	#48
Raven87 C'mon- really? Drives: Looking for a ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Nortwestern Ohio Posts: 1,966 View My Garage	IF GM wants to battle Ford and Dodge then I think a strong case can be made for both a ZL1 and Z/28. But what is their strategy? Go toe-to-toe with the Hellcat and GT500? Then if that, we will see another ZL1 - possibly. If not, I imagine the ZL1 will not reappear. Since the Z/28 focus is more aimed at the previous Boss 302 and the GT350, it makes sense it will remain but who knows? There is a place for both in the Camaro enthusiats' world. But - while there is a place for both types of performance, that doesn't mean that one platform could not be spec'd out to do either from an order sheet. __________________ Steve 2018 Camaro 2SS 1LE Black #3805 - SOLD

05-21-2015, 12:49 PM	#49
Jims Mongoose Jim Drives: 2013 Black 2SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 645 View My Garage	My 3.5 Cents I doubt that GM will miss the opportunity to put out a super ZL1. It may not be called a ZL1, but it will come. A 650 to 750 Hp car with all the extra new goodies will be irresistible to the current ZL1 owners. More luxury than the SS and more power with even better brakes, handling and such. a total winner. It will sell because many of us, myself included while we love the vettes and respect them we want the more room in the Camaro and love that platform and look. Even though in the photos the C6 Camaro looks more European than it used to that car with the right accents and changes by GM and our own modes will be super muscular looking. I also don't think they will not answer the GT350 or GT350R. It will be a Z28 on the new platform and will show Ford you don't need a flat plane Crank. I think the 1 LE will only be some peripheral options to the SS that will take it a step further. Maybe 500 HP from the factory. That was probably 4.5 cents, but what the hell. Jim __________________ Jim's Mongoose, 2013 1LE with Airraid CAI and PTB, mild to wild switch, and Vitesse throttle controller.400RWHP on Mustang Dyno In Phoenix, AZ on a 75 degree day.

05-21-2015, 01:24 PM	#51
Bhobbs Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 6,990	If GM's only option is the LT4, I would rather see the ZL1 continue over the Z/28. The ZL1 is already a heavier, high horsepower cruiser that is more well rounded. There is no reason to once again change the Z/28 when they already have the perfect badge in the ZL1. If GM can produce another high winding n/a small block, continue the Z/28. If they can't, then let it go away again. __________________

05-21-2015, 01:36 PM	#53
2014CamaroZL1 Drives: 2014 CRT ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Central NJ Posts: 712	Not on the subject of power... I read that the 6th Gen has a noticeably tighter interior. Understandable as it is based on the ATS chassis. But I do not want a car with a smaller interior. I like the space inside the 5th Gen. __________________ *ZL1 Camaro* - Worlds Largest* Sports Car* Road King - Not Garage Queen

05-21-2015, 02:40 PM	#55
goldcoastmat Drives: 2013 2SS/RS convertable Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Florida, United States Posts: 153 View My Garage	I'm going to say we won't see a 1LE or a Z/28.. I'm expecting a ZL1 and an Iroc-Z... ZL1 being the supercharged LT4 downtuned to be about 635 HP (they won't release a Camaro more powerful that the strongest Vette) and the Iroc being the road course version at around 500hp O also expect a Capo... __________________ 2013 2SS/RS Vert Mods list to long to fit in sig now lol Check build thread http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=377507

05-21-2015, 12:24 PM	#45
Overflow Space Shuttle Aficionado Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 30,897 View My Garage	I hate to be the one to break it to you guys... But there will be no ZL1. Chevy is merging the Z/28 and ZL1 into one model.

05-21-2015, 01:27 PM	#52
Dmpsix Drives: Black L99 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,862	Why are people making such a big deal out of this though? Enjoy all these different variations of the 5th gen while they lasted, because through GM's history, it wont happen again. Back in the 4th gen all there really was, was the SS and Z28 and both were monsters. Now we have the SS, 1LE, ZL1 and the Z28. Do you really think GM is going to go and make every single one of these models again? I doubt it. What I think will happen is GM will release a 1LE and Z28 track based car, and then of course the supercharged beast that everyone will be looking for in a newer ZL1. The 1LE was already destroying Ford's Boss 302, then Chevy came out and slapped them with a Z28 that was competing with Japanese monsters like the GT-R. Speaking with GM Engineers at last year's Camarofest, it seemed like the Z28 when it debuted was more impressive than they ever imagined it would be. The engineers literally told us who were there, that they did not expect the Z28 to keep up with the GT-R, let alone beat it. So with that being said, I think GM is going to leave the high performance Vette at the top of the list, like history indicates and have it compete with the super cars. That's what the majority of consumers see that C7 Stingray to begin with anyways, a low cost American beast that can compete with Lamborghini's and Ferrari's for a fraction of the price. I do honestly believe we wont see another 1LE, it might just be a Z28 instead and just leave the ZL1 out there for the Camaro enthusiast's.