they killed the thread/so here is another

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by 211269

Werent you the one that started posting the times from Laguna Seca after it was brought up by several who OWN the car that it doesnt handle the best? Why yes it was. What was your point then if not to try and argue it handles great? Again, stop being such a blind fanboy and think this is such a great car cause you read it in a magazine.

Lol no.... Like I said... I never said it was a great handling car. I said it was a good platform to build on. I posted the times saying that if it was horrible it would not have been able to turn those times and that your assesment of the Camaro only being a "straigh line car" was wrong. Get your story straight before you post anything and then maybe people will think of you as a reliable source. You may as well go hang out on your EVO forums because no body here wants to hear you bashing the Camaro all of the time. I tried to be nice and reason with you but you are beyond discussing anything in a adult manner. Oh and by the way its pretty hypocritical of you to bash someone one about them quoting a magazine... when you yourself have done it with the handling issue.

[rodimus prime]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

There is so much more that you can do with a live axle, just check out Grigggs racing, they are a top notch company dealing with the live rear axles. The potential on the live rear axle is no-where near tapped out coming out of the Ford factory stock. But as someone said before in this thread, take that live rear axle out on some bumpy, curvy roads and give it some gas. That rear-end is going to get away from you so fast it's not even funny.

I remember the mustang guys always ragging on the fbody guys for having ancient tech with the live axle when the 03-04 cobras were out. LOL now they have live axles and its "oh man its so far from tapped out you have no clue". LOL

[syr74]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

I remember the mustang guys always ragging on the fbody guys for having ancient tech with the live axle when the 03-04 cobras were out. LOL now they have live axles and its "oh man its so far from tapped out you have no clue". LOL

I rag on fourth gen f-bodies almost every chance I get, never for the live axle. (too many other truly soft spots to poke at ) As for the 03-04 Cobra, the IRS in that car was a disaster, for several reasons.

All else being equal is IRS preferable to a solid axle? Absolutely. But, as I stated before, those asides aren't always equal.

[rodimus prime]

Originally Posted by syr74

I rag on fourth gen f-bodies almost every chance I get, never for the live axle. (too many other truly soft spots to poke at ) As for the 03-04 Cobra, the IRS in that car was a disaster, for several reasons.

All else being equal is IRS preferable to a solid axle? Absolutely. But, as I stated before, those asides aren't always equal.

Did you rag on them for being the best bang for the buck performance car for the last 16 years?

[Hesh]

Originally Posted by 211269

Dude, its not what I seem to think, its what I know. Having owned an Evo and now a Camaro I am telling you there is little to compare. The Evo slices and dices around corners and thru twisties and the Camaro feels more like navigating a big boat and the body roll is scary most the time. Feels like if you push it you are going to flip it. Thats with the V6 engine too, cant imagine it with the V8, probably get the back end way too loose. I am no pro driver but I do know how to drive pretty damn well.

One is a do it all track car and one is a straight line car that can handle turns ok. I didnt buy the camaro to go track racing it, I knew better than that. I am just saying that people making it out to be some great handling car are very mistaken, its decent. People who havnt even driven it yet have no clue. Best thing they can do is go drive a Charger and just picture it a little more cramped in the front (not as wide) and there ya go.

LOL what you know then seems to be deluded. The suspension between the V6 and V8 is different. The V8 suspension is a tighter set up. The V6 has the FE2 suspension setup and the V8 has the FE3. Is this car the best handling car out there....hell no, but its alot better than you give it credit for. Cars that are around 400lbs lighter, and one is AWD. They are only 5 or 6 seconds better around the Nurburing than the Camaro just proves your just bashing the car. You wanted to know how it would do around the ring, and I gave you numbers for most of the cars. Are they better than the Camaro, yes. That much better...no. Try trolling somewhere else.

[211269]

Originally Posted by Hesh

LOL what you know then seems to be deluded. The suspension between the V6 and V8 is different. The V8 suspension is a tighter set up. The V6 has the FE2 suspension setup and the V8 has the FE3.

Ok, great. Thats what I thought but couldnt find out for sure. Need to drive the SS for sure.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

First I'm in Iraq and I'm bored.

Next I've owned 2 Camaros (spelling), Several Mustangs, a few exotics and the rest were just "get me to work cars". Still have a Mustang also.

It just was funny that the OP was so bent out of shape. The Camaro didn't win in a few categories and there is an uproar. How many people sitting at the local hangout walk up and say "Wanna race down Dead Man's curve". Both cars handle equally in everyday situations. Both cars will handle just as well with the average driver speeding down some twisty roads. You just have to learn your car. We all have to admit that magazine results may annoy us but real world is another thing. These magazines will take a Suburban to a track and complain that it doesn't feel aggressive enough.

True I prefer the look of the Mustang over the Camaro but that's a whole nother story.

Who's to say i might not pick up another Camaro pending a redesign. May happen but not in the immediate future. I do respect the power LS engines make even with pushrods.

Last, I haven't been dogging anyone or the Camaro. Nothing wrong with correcting minor discrepancies. Go ahead and check my posts.


My screenname isn't filled with numbers--hint, hint so I don't think anyone hates me yet.

No, I don't get bent very often, and especially not when it comes to discussing toys. Your completely mistaken. Look again my post are just statements.
I for many years was a GM "Muscle Car" nuthead, until I drove a "Sports Car" that and the fact that "ALL" Muscle Cars were being poorly built. But, now I have the fever again for a Muscle Car. And why not with the better quality and looks. However, I still want a complete package and the handling of the SS is weak. I know and understand its problem, but prefer a factory fix (which is happening).
I like all the new Muscle Cars, but can only afford 1, so it will be a Camaro since I never got the 69' I wanted.

p.s. your statement said there was a lot of room for Ford to develope the solid rear, I said no it is at about max in the GT500 & Track Pack GT.

[2cnd chance]

Handling starts with a rigid platform, from there it's getting the right balance of spring stiffness, dampening/rebound of the shock, weight distribution, roll balance from the sways, etc... The hardest thing is to make a very stiff chassis (they provided that already) the rest is not too very complicated.
GM just decided to make its Muscle Car safe and soft. We look forward to the performance enhancements.

[ShnOmac]

Word.... Pedders will be one of my first upgrades!

[2cnd chance]

hey, shnomac77 do you ever feel like your talking to kids with their fingers in their ears yelling lalalala

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

hey, shnomac77 do you ever feel like your talking to kids with their fingers in their ears yelling lalalala

LMAO.... Ummm yeah... thats all Im saying

[ShnOmac]

The guys from Pedders are saying that just replacing the bushings is making a huge difference in this car. The Camaro is going to respond very well to suspension upgrades!

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by shnomac77

The guys from Pedders are saying that just replacing the bushings is making a huge difference in this car. The Camaro is going to respond very well to suspension upgrades!

that's great to hear.
also, getting the boat anchor wheels and tires off would help.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

that's great to hear.
also, getting the boat anchor wheels and tires off would help.

Yep I will be getting lighter wheels ASAP! Im not sure if you have been following the pedders builds but there is alot of good info in them about suspension set ups and wheels etc etc...