Z28 whats the big deal?

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by VenomZ302

I would say that COPOs were a different breed, though, since they weren't readily available to anyone, to the best of my understanding. (Mr. Gibb would have LOVED to sell you one) Weren't all of the COPOs modified by dealers, such as Yenko? no

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[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

And in Gen 4 times the SS was TOP DOG.

Yeah because a hood, spoiler and rims are what it takes to be on top!

[The Great KJ]

Plus the Z/28 always looked better too than a basic SS. I love going fast but the look of going fast is important too.

[Q-ship]

When the original Z/28 was released it was just a package that was assembled from parts bins. The engine was a old hot rodder package, back in the day hot rodders would bore the crap out of a 283 to make a 301, well GM discovered that by dropping a 283 crank in the 327 block out came the magic 302 that fit the rules for SCCA trans Am. The rest was just a well thought out combination of parts from the Camaro option list that made a great handling package for Trans Am. GM had to sell a certain number of Z/28's to get the car approved for the series, why the hell else would you put a no torque 302 in a street car (the Boss Mustangs were even worse street cars) but GM did not plan on it become such a hit. One of the magazines back in 67 did an article that made the Z/28 into a marketing success. From then on the legend was in place. The SS was just an appearance package before 1965 from then on it packed a punch in Chevrolet cars. The SS nor the Z/28 were top dog to either one from 67 - 71 they were marketed along beside each other. Looks like if the latest version of the Z28 comes out that it will get that top dog statis for now, but until it is on the car carriers to the showrooms it is just a rumor. Why do some feel like they have to think that a certain model has to be supperior to another? Can't we like both for there abilities. Beside it still has to get by the really people running Government Motors..........Obamanation. I hope that it does come to be I'm just not going to go nuts until it does. I would be happy with a lighter better handling Z28 that has a modest bump in HP. Then for a killer Camaro a special model of the Z28 based model that has the LSA engine.

BTW z codes stand for many different options on Chevy cars.......Z16 = 65 SS396 Malibu or the later Monte SS Z28 = special performance edition Z27 = SS396 Camaro and the list goes on from there.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by Gentry78

yup

Originally Posted by VenomZ302

I would say that COPOs were a different breed, though, since they weren't readily available to anyone, to the best of my understanding. Weren't all of the COPOs modified by dealers, such as Yenko?

There were many COPO cars of different lines sold without the dealer doing anything but normal delivery prep. I was at a dealer in Warren, OH in 1970 visiting my in-laws and stopped in at the local Chevy dealer to get an oil change for my still fairly new '69 Z/28. While waiting I was checking out his inventory and was curious about a dozen or more Chevelles sitting on his lot that looked a little different from the other Chevelles. They all had basically six cylinder trim (like coke bottle hub caps, etc.), no engine flags, but good sized tires. The sticker in their window only listed a special performance option packagen, no engine size. I got them to open one up for me to look at and popped the hood, 427 cid, 425HP, four speed manual and Hurst Comp. Plus shifter with a bench seat. They were all identical with nothing done by the dealer except wash and prep. I watched a new owner drive off with his purchase, quite a "sleeper" vehicle.
Clyde

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by hamidar05

IMHO The Z/28 is now a marketing tool rather than a race car, especially Gen 3-5 since there is no real racing GM does since the 70's...It's all independent teams, no direct manufacturer competition.

My question is what were the prices for the original GEN 1s Z/28 vs SS.. so going with that logic, we have the Z/28s and the new Z/28 will be the SS.. I guarantee there was no 20K price difference between the SS and Z/28...

I think the SS was an awesome value for todays performance cars, thus I got it.. 50K base, not so awesome since I can do the aftermarket upgrades myself for much less, and when I can afford it rather than getting a loan on all of it and having some ridicules car payment.

I can tell you that in the first gen. models, the Z/28 and SS Camaros were priced pretty close unless you really optioned out an SS. There were options on the SS that you could not order on the Z/28, like convertible, auto transmission and AC were not available with the Z/28 option. So a first gen. SS was often higher priced than a Z/28 based on how it was optioned.
Clyde

[coolman]

This should be a very simple two word answer.



MORE POWER

[Fandango]

The last 45 plus odd answers were great. There is a lot of lore behind the Z/28. However, I have a simpler explination.

The question can be easily answered by this simple mathimatic equation:

Z is > or = to Big
28 is the number pertaining to the level of Deal completeness of a scaled or magnitude of 1-10. Thus, Deal is < 10 so it's bigger. To Simplify, Z+28 > or = Big + Deal so Z/28 = Big Deal.

Question Answered.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by Fandango

The last 45 plus odd answers were great. There is a lot of lore behind the Z/28. However, I have a simpler explination.

The question can be easily answered by this simple mathimatic equation:

Z is > or = to Big
28 is the number pertaining to the level of Deal completeness of a scaled or magnitude of 1-10. Thus, Deal is < 10 so it's bigger. To Simplify, Z+28 > or = Big + Deal so Z/28 = Big Deal.

Question Answered.

here we go! :seesaw:

[duraclean]

I just hope that there is only improvements made to the SS. If they make a Z28 I hope it is just for appearance. Just throw a supercharger on the 2SS...problem solved

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by duraclean

I just hope that there is only improvements made to the SS. If they make a Z28 I hope it is just for appearance. Just throw a supercharger on the 2SS...problem solved

Why would you hope for that?

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Why would you hope for that?

I'm guessing its because he already has a top of the line Camaro

[REVENGE]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I'm guessing its because he already has a top of the line Camaro

Well he is going to be very dissapointed when the 500+hp Z28 comes out.

[TheNew..'StangBlaster5000]

When Chevy re did the Camaro, they for some reason called the BASE V8 an SS?!?
I think everyone would like to know why the SS is now the Standard Sport!
But I'm just glad it's back!http://www.camaro5.com/forums/images/smilies/bow.gif