Jay leno hints to the z28 in video!!!

[slacker]

One more thing to think about- if GM uses a twin turbo V6 engine in the Z28, that will help market V6 powered Camaro's, which they want to sell 60% of Camaro's as. I can hear the V6 Camaro sales pitch now - "same engine as the Z28!!"

I don't like it either, but the reality is the SS cars were the big cube drag racers in the day, with the Z28 purpose built for road racing, not drag racing. I like the idea of having a 6.2L ZL1.

[jamnutz]

Originally Posted by SVT_SRT

Do you guys think GM will make a Camaro faster than the base vette?
If the Camaro is cheaper than the vette why would people then buy a vette.
Plus the vette is already a GT500 killer.

GM is confusing me = /

In 86 & 87 The T-Types/Turbo-T's were quicker than the Vettes, in 91 the Syclone was quicker than the Vette & Ferarri 308 in the Quarter. So you never know. Syclone also cost as much as a Vette in 91.

I still have an old license plate frame from a Turbo Regal that says "I Brake for Corvettes"

[FxsX24]

Originally Posted by jamnutz

In 86 & 87 The T-Types/Turbo-T's were quicker than the Vettes, in 91 the Syclone was quicker than the Vette & Ferarri 308 in the Quarter. So you never know. Syclone also cost as much as a Vette in 91.

I still have an old license plate frame from a Turbo Regal that says "I Brake for Corvettes"

i REALLY want a Syclone

[karr1008]

...if I put a H.O. 527 etc etc...

It is time to move forward and think logistics and future development.
The v8's are great but the day will come when the "no replacement for displacement" will no longer apply and sound silly.

A lightweight more efficient engine with vast tuning capabilities is the way to go. If I can have 29mpg and have better numbers on the track than the current SS and V6 then I welcome that. Even if it only outputs 350 hp. What I care is the final result.

They are GM and they have the final word on what the Z/28 will be.
Face it. Whatever they end up producing, you-will-want-to-buy-it.
because is a Z. period.

[s3d83d]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I AM SO GLAD HE DOESN'T HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON WHAT'S THE Z/28 IS TO BE. If they can make this 550 HP+, keep it in a $43,000-$47,000 price range then yeah I'd buy it... But honestly what are the odds of this happening?

There's no reason for them to make a Z/28 with those kind of numbers for that price. Look at the ZL575 and ZL550; I went to a Chevy dealer last monday and they showed me a brochure for both (it only gave pricing for the ZL575 at 58k) to be purchased as a dealer option. From what I've read, they only plan to sell around 200 to 300 of these bad boys. He wouldn't even give me the brochure, cuz they apparently didn't have any to give out.

It would make sense that chevy is testing the waters with this ZL575 package from SLP to see what kind of interest it procures. It seems that they are definitely leaning towards a TT V/6 for a Z/28, especially denoting that the SS is not above a Z/28 and a Z/28 is not above an SS. They are seperate beasts all together.

They can give consumers a plethora of choices from a barebone V6 at 22k, to a full featured V8 at 40k, to a ZL575 beast at 58k, and a tuner Z/28 with a price to be determined (probably in the 45k range) This is a car that will fit in just about anybodies price range.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by karr1008

Whatever they end up producing, you-will-want-to-buy-it.
because is a Z. period.

Thats a heck of a assumption.......

[Ronin_2SS]

I like the idea of having a TT V6 z28, more than a lsa powered one. for a few reason. 1 the z28 has always been a middle tier model, between the RS and SS. Making the z28 top dog is reverse engineering the concept of its original idea/design back in the 60's and through out its making. however throwing a TT V6 that can make round 400 horses would be ideal. it would be a gas saver and a beast all in one. turbo motors have room to grow if you do it right. Although its more complicated than N/A motors the end results are the same. I would even say turbo motors usually have the better top end due to its efficiency in design. If they do a TT z28 id be all over it. I had the boost bug a few times while back and wouldn't mind having it again. as far as being able to compete with the gt500, I dont think that stuff matters. The ford boys need a car like that to be in the league of muscle, without it they have nothing to fall on. Look at a Dodge you dont see them trying to a make a super Challanger. The fan base is enough to not warrant such a car. I believe the same for GM, the camaro fan base is large enough to where we don't need a super camaro. But if we do need one, make it a lsa powered ZL1, not a Z28.

[jcamaro]

This should be GMs goal 2011 production:

LS/LT = same as current, low price high output V6. RS package available still. Base MSRP around 22,000.

Z28 = Twin Turbo V6 with weight reduction and few amenities (basic sterio, no upgraded audio package, no heated seats, light weight materials) and upgraded suspension. No upgrade options such as RS. MSRP around 29,000.

SS = same as current model but I'm sure they can pump out another 25 horses and keep the fuel economy. RS package available still. Base MSRP around 32,000.

ZL1 = the GT500 competitor. LSA with sport tuned exhaust and 6 speed tranny only. No upgrades such as RS. MSRP around 52,000.

The V6 will be the money wise option, the Z28 is the sporty upgrade with intent of track racing, SS is all around power house that can be fully loaded with options, the ZL1 is the monster everyone wants and will have to pay for to put down 10-11 second passes on the 1/4 mile.

Just my 2 cents. I love the look of Jay's concept. Perfect for Z28. Will have to watch that video later at home. ZL1 would need the aggressive intake cowl of the TF2 Bumblebee.

[jmcbeth]

Originally Posted by Jeanius

I don't think a TT v-6 is gonna cut it for me, Z28 needs more cubes

I agree. A V-6 Z/28 just doesn't sound right. Also, "400 some" HP doesn't sound right in a Z/28. The first number needs to be a 5.

[96CAMaro]

Originally Posted by jcamaro

This should be GMs goal 2011 production:

LS/LT = same as current, low price high output V6. RS package available still. Base MSRP around 22,000.

Z28 = Twin Turbo V6 with weight reduction and few amenities (basic sterio, no upgraded audio package, no heated seats, light weight materials) and upgraded suspension. No upgrade options such as RS. MSRP around 29,000.

SS = same as current model but I'm sure they can pump out another 25 horses and keep the fuel economy. RS package available still. Base MSRP around 32,000.

ZL1 = the GT500 competitor. LSA with sport tuned exhaust and 6 speed tranny only. No upgrades such as RS. MSRP around 52,000.

The V6 will be the money wise option, the Z28 is the sporty upgrade with intent of track racing, SS is all around power house that can be fully loaded with options, the ZL1 is the monster everyone wants and will have to pay for to put down 10-11 second passes on the 1/4 mile.

Just my 2 cents. I love the look of Jay's concept. Perfect for Z28. Will have to watch that video later at home. ZL1 would need the aggressive intake cowl of the TF2 Bumblebee.

If this is true, and if the engine is 100% fully forged from top to bottom, then this will be well worth it.

[Number 3]

[QUOTE=jcamaro;1141399]This should be GMs goal 2011 production:


Z28 = Twin Turbo V6 with weight reduction and few amenities (basic sterio, no upgraded audio package, no heated seats, light weight materials) and upgraded suspension. No upgrade options such as RS. MSRP around 29,000.

So what you want is a 1SS (435HP) with light weight materials?

But you want it to cost the same as a 1SS?

Also a TT V6 is not as light weight as you might be thinking. Two turbos and an intercooler aren't light weght.

Plus to run the HP of the TT you would need the heavier transmission and radiator from the SS. Offsetting some more of the mass reduction of the TT.

[jcamaro]

Well, since it would not need any option parts, let's say the Z28 used the LS as a starting point. MSRP of 22,000. Add the price for TT set up and it would go up to about 26,000. Add in lightweight parts (substracting cost of heavier parts not used) put it at 27,000. With upgraded suspension, roughly 29,000. Its feasible. The Z28 is a no frills car with great performance on the track but not the torque you get from a V8. If you want power, torque, and options, then you go with 1SS or 2SS.

Let the Z28 be the race car it was meant to be with a modern update (twin turbo DI V6) and let the ZL1 be the monster everyone wants to see. The LT/SS are the street cars with amenities people want in daily drivers.

[Scotsman]

Don't give a damn what they call it I just know GM needs to build a Camaro with this engine and identical exterior packaging as well. This would make the decision just that much easier for anyone hung on the fence about getting a Camaro.

[Ronin_2SS]

Originally Posted by jmcbeth

I agree. A V-6 Z/28 just doesn't sound right. Also, "400 some" HP doesn't sound right in a Z/28. The first number needs to be a 5.

you do realize that the Z28 line has always had the "lesser" hp than the SS models. They were always lighter and nimble with the smaller engine. Although if GM does go with a TT v6 this will be the 1st z28 not paking a v8. Traditionaly a factory 500hp Z28 doesnt make sense, call it the ZL1 and it would.