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*radz28* · 03-24-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by brAnd7onX

radz I agreed with everything you said...

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Originally Posted by 305pride

more engines the better. this is going to be cool.

As long as it doesn't come at the expense of higher prices of the car or models or future improvements on the car itself

geminidreams · 03-24-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tran

As reported on Homepage.

Per http://www.caradvice.com.au & http://www.gminsidenews.com

Might we see this new twin turbo V6 engine in the V6 Camaro sometime in the near future?! We hope so!

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that would have been a nice option when I ordered my car back in June lol..

n!ght r!der · 03-24-2010, 04:40 PM

Impala vs Taurus

BAM!

*radz28* · 03-24-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by n!ght r!der

Impala vs Taurus

BAM!

NICE! I like the way you think. You know what?... I really like how that Taurus looks... Did I say that too loud?

ViperTomcat · 03-24-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by radz282003

If memory serves, not all muscle cars were strippers... Maybe I'm not understanding the statement.

Nope.

Top to Botton:

69 Chevelle
69 Camaro
69 Charger
70 Challenger

n!ght r!der · 03-24-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by radz282003

NICE! I like the way you think. You know what?... I really like how that Taurus looks... Did I say that too loud?

I'm not going to lie, but I'd rather get that instead of a mustang lol

v6sonoma · 03-24-2010, 04:47 PM

Keep in mind the engine in the LT-LS is the same engine thats in the up-level CTS so it would stand to reason that the more they can produce the cheaper it is so if it's in the CTS and the Camaro it would over all be cheaper. I would say that as it is a smaller displacement engine (3.0L vs 3.6) that the power output would be similar or better. My guess is this would be a more fuel efficient engine that uses the turbos to keep the same power level. So maybe it would return 33mpg. They state it will have similar out put to the Ford ecoboost engine which adds 100hp and 100tq to their 3.5L for a whopping 365hp 350 tq. The Cadillac 3.0L puts out 270hp as is, so boosted this could make for a nice jump to base engine hp and if tuned right fuel economy could be improved as well. I think that if they use this for a replacement to the base engine in the camaro that would be stellar. Lets face it we all could wait forever (and have!) to get our cars hoping for more power, better options, newer colors, whatever. The newer models almost always have better goods than the older ones. That's a good thing. Just be glad the Camaro is popular because the aftermarket offers loads of goods to improve our cars that other cars will just never see.

Very exciting!

*radz28* · 03-24-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Nope.

Top to Botton:

69 Chevelle
69 Camaro
69 Charger
70 Challenger

Those are awful... I've seen better runs in my shorts.

I notice you didn't throw a Z11 in there though, lol.

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Originally Posted by n!ght r!der

I'm not going to lie, but I'd rather get that instead of a mustang lol

Sour DeeZ · 03-24-2010, 04:51 PM

For the price of this is going to be, I would rather buy my own turbo, or I would rather go with a supercharger. But all and all Im going to be trading in my LT for the z/28 when the comes out, so lets see thats get up to me. HAHA

ViperTomcat · 03-24-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by radz282003

Those are awful... I've seen better runs in my shorts.

I notice you didn't throw a Z11 in there though, lol.

Yeah..I just didnt think of it. I just put up the first four muscle cars that came to mind.

Mblock66 · 03-24-2010, 04:56 PM

You will never be able to yank 375 HP out of the car and get 30 MPG. That is just unrealistic. Sure at highway dowhill off the gas.

I have a Subaru Legacy GT (basically the STi engine in a legacy) which factory was rated 250 HP for an 4 banger. It doesn't even get 25 on average. When I had it producing 315 at the wheels (basically 400 HP at the crank) it lost a bit more b/c it was in boost more. Plus the camaro is heavier and you are talking about a 3.0 TT 6 vs a 2.5 single turbo 4.

This will never happen in the camaro lineup. It would offer a crazy car for the tuning world however. I would imagine you could convert it back to a single turbo and get old school supra type power out of 5 grand worth of work.

v6sonoma · 03-24-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mblock66

You will never be able to yank 375 HP out of the car and get 30 MPG. That is just unrealistic. Sure at highway dowhill off the gas.

I have a Subaru Legacy GT (basically the STi engine in a legacy) which factory was rated 250 HP for an 4 banger. It doesn't even get 25 on average. When I had it producing 315 at the wheels (basically 400 HP at the crank) it lost a bit more b/c it was in boost more. Plus the camaro is heavier and you are talking about a 3.0 TT 6 vs a 2.5 single turbo 4.

This will never happen in the camaro lineup. It would offer a crazy car for the tuning world however. I would imagine you could convert it back to a single turbo and get old school supra type power out of 5 grand worth of work.

True but I can easily say they could do 315+ hp and 31mpg. Keep in mind your old engine wasn't using direct injection which alone added 50hp to the 3.6L thats in the Camaro now. Also did that engine have variable valve timing in it? These are very advanced engines not just extremely tuned engines. It is VERY possible they could do this. It's just a matter of if they will. Who knows where GM might position them. They could be an option or something different all together. What ever it turns out to be we will all certainly reap the benefits of it.

Ronin_2SS · 03-24-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mblock66

I would imagine you could convert it back to a single turbo and get old school supra type power out of 5 grand worth of work.

idk..the supra 2jzgte motor was an iron block and had internals that can handle 700-800whp stock. it had un-godly amounts of room to grow. i personly think the GM TT V6 would be pretty close to its limits on turbo boosting. I would assume they would boost low around 10-12lbs of boost stock. you can probably raise it to 18.5 about 1bar at this point you would be on the heels of an SS if not more, but after that you would have to crack open the block to start reinforcing stuff.

LOWDOWN · 03-24-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mblock66

You will never be able to yank 375 HP out of the car and get 30 MPG. That is just unrealistic.

NOT for an "EPA rating"...and, frankly folks, it's ALL about the EPA #...on a dyno, in an environmental-free zone...

3.0 Litres, off-boost, will get at least as good as the 3.6, right? And the EPA # for the LLT is 29mpg, as-is. So...

"Real world, driven like Steve McQueen"? Different story...

03-24-2010, 04:47 PM	#49
v6sonoma Drives: 2010 SS RS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Providence, RI Posts: 8,108 View My Garage	Keep in mind the engine in the LT-LS is the same engine thats in the up-level CTS so it would stand to reason that the more they can produce the cheaper it is so if it's in the CTS and the Camaro it would over all be cheaper. I would say that as it is a smaller displacement engine (3.0L vs 3.6) that the power output would be similar or better. My guess is this would be a more fuel efficient engine that uses the turbos to keep the same power level. So maybe it would return 33mpg. They state it will have similar out put to the Ford ecoboost engine which adds 100hp and 100tq to their 3.5L for a whopping 365hp 350 tq. The Cadillac 3.0L puts out 270hp as is, so boosted this could make for a nice jump to base engine hp and if tuned right fuel economy could be improved as well. I think that if they use this for a replacement to the base engine in the camaro that would be stellar. Lets face it we all could wait forever (and have!) to get our cars hoping for more power, better options, newer colors, whatever. The newer models almost always have better goods than the older ones. That's a good thing. Just be glad the Camaro is popular because the aftermarket offers loads of goods to improve our cars that other cars will just never see. Very exciting! __________________ Mods: BBK Intake, BBK LT's and High Flow Cats, Corsa Cat-back exhaust, Hurst short throw shifter, SLP skip-shift eliminator. 7/1/09 Placed order for IOM/IO int/ SS/RS 6M 9/26/09 Took delivery!

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n!ght r!der That Guy Drives: really good Join Date: May 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 858	Impala vs Taurus BAM!

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Mblock66 Drives: 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 312	You will never be able to yank 375 HP out of the car and get 30 MPG. That is just unrealistic. Sure at highway dowhill off the gas. I have a Subaru Legacy GT (basically the STi engine in a legacy) which factory was rated 250 HP for an 4 banger. It doesn't even get 25 on average. When I had it producing 315 at the wheels (basically 400 HP at the crank) it lost a bit more b/c it was in boost more. Plus the camaro is heavier and you are talking about a 3.0 TT 6 vs a 2.5 single turbo 4. This will never happen in the camaro lineup. It would offer a crazy car for the tuning world however. I would imagine you could convert it back to a single turbo and get old school supra type power out of 5 grand worth of work.