First Car Accident

[j0hnny007]

Originally Posted by JohnInSoCal

assumption is the mother of all foul ups, never trust a blinker or assume a person will only turn into a specific lane. It sounds like both were at fault here, she had right of way and you should have waited until it was safe. She shouldn't have pulled into the other lane but you have to assume people do that because they do all the time.

she had the right of way to turn into the curb lane not the middle lane, i dont understand why people think she has the right of way.

[Steve Dallas]

Unfortunately, after reading what I could find in the canadian laws on this, he is at fault. The person making the left hand turn has to yield to the right hand turn. It doesn't matter how many lanes there are. It is his obligation to make sure he turns safely.

I'm sorry to see you got in an accident, and hopefully you're ok.

[j0hnny007]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

Unfortunately, after reading what I could find in the canadian laws on this, he is at fault. The person making the left hand turn has to yield to the right hand turn. It doesn't matter how many lanes there are. It is his obligation to make sure he turns safely.

I'm sorry to see you got in an accident, and hopefully you're ok.

and she is required to turn into the curb lane not the middle lane

[HALFFAST]

I'm in Canada as well and I'm 99% positive that when making a right into a double lane road you must first pull into rightmost lane and signal left to move over to other lane. She ****ed up but you did as well by trusting that the other driver had a clue of how to drive. If you keep the mindset that "nobody knows how to drive except for me" you'll be good.

[Brandons714]

Turning at intersections

165 (1) If the driver of a vehicle intends to turn it to the right at an intersection, the driver must cause it to approach the intersection and then make the turn as close as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway.
(2) When the driver of a vehicle intends to turn it to the left at an intersection where traffic is permitted to move in both directions on each highway entering the intersection, the driver must
(a) cause the vehicle to approach the intersection in the portion of the right side of the roadway that is nearest the marked centre line, or if there is no marked centre line, then as far as practicable in the portion of the right half of the roadway that is nearest the centre line,
(b) keep the vehicle to the right of the marked centre line or centre line of the roadway, as the case may be, at the place the highway enters the intersection,
(c) after entering the intersection, turn the vehicle to the left so that it leaves the intersection to the right of the marked centre line of the roadway being entered, or if there is no marked centre line then to the right of the centre line of the roadway being entered, and,
(d) when practicable, turn the vehicle in the portion of the intersection to the left of the centre of the intersection.
(3) When the driver of a vehicle intends to turn the vehicle left at an intersection where traffic is restricted to one direction on one or more of the highways, the driver must cause the vehicle to approach the intersection in the extreme left hand lane available to traffic moving in the direction of travel of the vehicle, and after entering the intersection turn the vehicle to the left so as to leave the intersection as nearly as practicable in the left hand lane available to traffic moving in the direction of travel of the vehicle on the highway being entered.
(4) If at an intersection there is a traffic control device indicating the course to be travelled by vehicles turning at the intersection, a driver must turn a vehicle at the intersection in the manner directed by the traffic control device.
(5) A person must not turn a vehicle at an intersection unless it is in the position on the highway required by this section.



British Colombian Laws
There you go, End of Argument, I don't care if I was wrong or not, I'm not going to throw common sense into this, because, obviously, that is not a factor in Colombian driving. From now on, All I have to say aboot this is, if you want to assume that everyone is perfect, go for it, but when you crash a $25k-$40k car, it's all on you.

[Brandons714]

Johnny was right, Canadian laws are different than here in the US, they're stupid, but, she is at fault, oh well it's better for the OP.

[MaroSS]

Originally Posted by jagan323

lol... yeah, im really confused now. But you know, when i was Learning how to drive, I could swear, when you are making a Right turn, you STAY on your lane. You are not legally allowed to change to the left lane right away, unless you have the left turn signal for a lane change. But yeah guys... Thanks for your input. Sigh... what a bad day.

Very true if she is making a right turn she must turn into the far right lane and not the left lane. That's the law in California tho ... not sure about the rest of the world :(. but yeah man accidents happen which is why they are called ACCIDENTS. And what is it with old people!?! I got into two accidents in my Charger SRT8 before I got the CaMarO and they were both old and I was hit both times! and the older the age the worse the damage is because the first old person was about 50ish - and the second old person was in her 70's and she totalled out my car! lol I was at fault for the first one and 50/50 for the second now if you want to talk about unfair boy do i have a stories to tell being African-American dealing with Torrance PD and at that time I was 18 lol. But yours shouldn't be too bad man, I hope everything turns out well for you but the important thing is that you are ok and im sure your Camaro will be fixed in no time! Goodluck to you man

[Brandons714]

This is also from Canadian Laws so, everyone was right in their own way.
It just depends on who started turning first.

Yielding right of way on left turn

174 When a vehicle is in an intersection and its driver intends to turn left, the driver must yield the right of way to traffic approaching from the opposite direction that is in the intersection or so close as to constitute an immediate hazard, but having yielded and given a signal as required by sections 171 and 172, the driver may turn the vehicle to the left, and traffic approaching the intersection from the opposite direction must yield the right of way to the vehicle making the left turn.

[HALFFAST]

following is from the Ontario Ministry of transportation driver's handbook, I'd assume its the same in BC

Highway traffic act

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/sta...08_e.htm#BK218

section 141.(2)

Right turn at intersection

141.(2) Where a driver or operator of a vehicle intends to turn to the right into an intersecting highway, he or she shall, where the highway on which he or she is driving has marked lanes for traffic, approach the intersection within the right-hand lane or, where it has no such marked lanes, by keeping immediately to the left of the right curb or edge of the roadway and he or she shall make the right turn by entering the right-hand lane of the intersecting highway where the lane is marked or, where no such lane is marked, by keeping immediately to the left of the right curb or edge of the roadway being entered. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 141 (2).

[Steve Dallas]

This is true, however the fact that the person making the left turn has to give right of way (no matter how many lanes) takes precedence. She did not follow the rules of the road, but the onus is on him to have avoided the accident.

Originally Posted by HALFFAST

following is from the Ontario Ministry of transportation driver's handbook, I'd assume its the same in BC

Highway traffic act

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/sta...08_e.htm#BK218

section 141.(2)

Right turn at intersection

141.(2) Where a driver or operator of a vehicle intends to turn to the right into an intersecting highway, he or she shall, where the highway on which he or she is driving has marked lanes for traffic, approach the intersection within the right-hand lane or, where it has no such marked lanes, by keeping immediately to the left of the right curb or edge of the roadway and he or she shall make the right turn by entering the right-hand lane of the intersecting highway where the lane is marked or, where no such lane is marked, by keeping immediately to the left of the right curb or edge of the roadway being entered. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 141 (2).

[jagan323]

You guys are super intense, actually searching up Canadian driving laws lol. Crazyness... but yeah... I wish monday comes sooner, so i can get this dealt with. Eitherway, the facts are the facts for me, but the BAD thing is, the Woman I hit can spin the story even more, maybe make it even worse for me. Who knows... i can only pray guys.

Thanks for your concern though... just got some whiplash, neck pain, back pain... and wanting to throw up lol.

[djsnoflake]

Thanks for the American interpretations on Canadian laws, but the girl is the one at fault. Basically an illegal lane change.

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by jagan323

You guys are super intense, actually searching up Canadian driving laws lol. Crazyness... but yeah... I wish monday comes sooner, so i can get this dealt with. Eitherway, the facts are the facts for me, but the BAD thing is, the Woman I hit can spin the story even more, maybe make it even worse for me. Who knows... i can only pray guys.

Thanks for your concern though... just got some whiplash, neck pain, back pain... and wanting to throw up lol.

Well, good luck with it. I just went through what you are going through and I remember the pit in my stomach after I got hit. In my case, it was pretty cut and dried since I was stopped at a left turn light when the person hit me.

Just remember your car can be fixed. I just got mine back from the shop today, and so just remember that the permagrin will return when you get your car back. Hopefully you have insurance.

[rez333]

Originally Posted by jagan323

Well I live in canada, and where I live, the Insurance agency takes a look at both cars, takes in the reports, and they decide who pays what. Most of the time it's in a percent. So like a 50/50 at fault, or a 100% at fault, etc. Since I have no witnesses, I could possibly be charged. But Im hoping I wont be. I get my car examed on Monday... so I'll know for sure by then.

in Canada you must turn into the nearest lane, so the old lady is at fault.