New Camaro - Speed Limiter and Traction Control

[SilverTurtle]

Originally Posted by TRIXXTERR

Hmm OK.. I May have to Track Down, The Local (IMHO) Camaro EXPERT..

TURTLE!!!! I'm Looking Your Way...

what? someone say my name?


yours is definitely defective... most probably due to a defective vehicle speed sensor... any kind of imbalance the computer senses between the wheels, it will kick the ASR on... this is usually a quick fix, but it requires chasing down which VSS is going out to be able to remedy... which is best done with a GM Tech II

ASR in the Camaros was crap, honestly... its way of "keeping traction" was waaaaaaaaaaaaaay inferior to the stability management and traction control on the C5s... ASR was originally developed for the LT1 era C4 Vettes, and was applied to the 4th gen Camaros in a way that, to me, seems counter productive... a brake regulation would have been better than a throttle cutout... but the combination of the two can make for some seriously scary moments... on all of my ASR equipped cars, I have trained myself to turn the ASR off as soon as I start the car... my right foot is better at skid resistance than the ASR programming is at discerning what is a skid and what is me simply laying down some rubber.

[shadowed_Stranger]

I somewhat agree with max about the fun factor being taken out (although I have never driven a vehicle with TC or AH so I wouldn't know).

I have a 1997 v6 manual and I am assuming that it does not have traction control. I love coming up on a perfect turn in 2nd gear and (is powering over the term?) doing a power slide.
Other than that I never drive in any way that would activate it. I never really race except for sometimes doing 0-speed limit woth some other cars at stoplights. In general a very conservative driver. Having it off by default would just hinder me, not really help.

ON THE OTHER HAND, If I had a camaro with 450hp, things would most likely be very different. As far as wet handling, etc I have no input because I have never driven a powerful car and this could save a life. I CAN say that I infact still do drive more aggressively in my camaro than my tacoma sr5, so most likely I will be driving more aggressively in the 5th than this one.

[rayhawk]

Originally Posted by SScattergunSS

Guys, forgive my ignorance in this matter, but since both of my Ponitac's are older cars, I have no experience with either Traction or Stability Control.

1. How many modes are we going to have with our Camaros?

2. Can the driver change modes while the vehicle is moving, or must it only be done at a standstill?

3. Are the rules the same for both transmissions offerings? Thanks....

The manual SS car has launch control, which helps you get off the line (how exactly has not yet been officially released). The auto car does not have launch control though. Some have said the launch control simply holds the engine at a preset launch rpm, I would think it should also allow some wheelspin to get the best launch, but we will have to wait and see.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by SScattergunSS

Guys, forgive my ignorance in this matter, but since both of my Ponitac's are older cars, I have no experience with either Traction or Stability Control.

1. How many modes are we going to have with our Camaros?

2. Can the driver change modes while the vehicle is moving, or must it only be done at a standstill?

3. Are the rules the same for both transmissions offerings? Thanks....

unless its different from all the ones i've seen before - its Off or On, can be changed by the push of a button @ any time, stop or moving. and should be the exact same for both transmissions

[V-6_2010_Camaro_Owner]

fbodfather,

You mention safety as a reason for speed limiting, but you do not seem to know that a safety factor is involved in the design of tires. That said, a person could potentially drive faster than a rating set forth by a tire manufacture and be within the safety factor. Also, most P-Zero tires are run flat tires, and a tire blowout with the P-Zero tire would not adversely effect the controllability to safely stop a vehicle safely.

Furthermore, you mentioned "where are you going to go to drive the car over 150mph", have you not been to the West Texas where you can drive for hours without seeing another vehicle? That said, a driver could potentially drive faster than 155mph without getting a ticket in West Texas.

Additionally, most experienced sports car drivers know when they can drive vigorously without traction control. That said, you must either be a GM engineer or an inexperienced driver that needs traction control.

Regards,

A 2010 Camaro owner and a racing experienced driver

Originally Posted by fbodfather

A couple of things.........

The speed is limited based on the tire rating put on the car at the factory...it's done as a safety measure. (ever have a blowout at 100? ....trust me, you don't want to experience it.......)

...which begs the question: where are you going to go to drive the car over 150mph??? (and -- next question -- and I don't mean this to be a put-down -- but have you been thru an in-depth defensive/performance driving school.....I say this because many cars can go fast - but we tend to forget that you cannot override the rules of physics........)

As to defaulting the traction control to 'off' -- my question is "why?"
It's there for a reason - and the biggest one I can think of is to protect the driver from accidents. (.....and I should also add -- '...and anyone unfortunate enough to be near said driver when they do something to lose control of their vehicle.........)

[Mosher]

Originally Posted by V-6_2010_Camaro_Owner

fbodfather,

You mention safety as a reason for speed limiting, but you do not seem to know that a safety factor is involved in the design of tires. That said, a person could potentially drive faster than a rating set forth by a tire manufacture and be within the safety factor. Also, most P-Zero tires are run flat tires, and a tire blowout with the P-Zero tire would not adversely effect the controllability to safely stop a vehicle safely.

Furthermore, you mentioned "where are you going to go to drive the car over 150mph", have you not been to the West Texas where you can drive for hours without seeing another vehicle? That said, a driver could potentially drive faster than 155mph without getting a ticket in West Texas.

Additionally, most experienced sports car drivers know when they can drive vigorously without traction control. That said, you must either be a GM engineer or an inexperienced driver that needs traction control.

Regards,

A 2010 Camaro owner and a racing experienced driver

Ahhh.... 155 mph is illegal on public roads in west Texas. Makes no difference if you are caught or not. It's still breaking the law. Fbodfather is not going to condone such action, nor should he. At those speeds it only takes 1 mistake, and it's not likely any amount of air bags and crumple zones will save you.

It's not a matter of "IF" the car can do this, that, or the other, the highway's that we use to get to work and get around are not racetracks for people to do top speed runs. It's not the autobahn or the bonneville saltflats, it's where ordinary people drive. Murphy does not care and is not impressed with any amount of racing you have done. You maybe a "Racing Experienced Driver", but by trying for some reason to justify going high triple digit speeds on highways in my state no less, you do not sound like a "Responsible" racing driver.

Also... Holy Necro thread batman...

[Teddydog]

I think the ASR in my 96 Corvette works pretty well. It has saved me from a high-speed encounter with a road island coming off the freeway and works great when starting from a stop on steep hills. Other than than, I rarely notice it.

Rob

[Moth]

do u get a better launch with traction control off or stabilitrack off?>?

[IROCanSS]

The 155 governor is right where it should be.

Governors are put into place for many reasons. Yes mainly tires but also the shape of the car itself. Take my dads car for example. Sorry its a Mustang.

Anywho... he sent his 2007 Mustang GT (maybe 140 electronically governed) to Brenspeed where they did their "stage III" kit to it. Saleen supercharger, injectors, aux fuel pump, tune (removes all governors)...etc. The car dynos 480 +/- depending on temp and humidity at the rear wheels. It's wickedly quick!

Now to the point, my dad asked how fast (not to be confussed with quick, fast is HP, quick is TQ) is this car good for now b/c when it was on the dyno the needle (140/160 I don't know) was burried. They guys at the shop said the engine with stock gearing is probably good for 170-180 BUT there is no way in hell you would ever want to go that fast in this car. The body shape and aerodynamics can't take it. The rear end would lift, the hood would flap, basically it would scare the crap out of you. He said that 160 would be the fastest he'd want to even try. On the other hand my recently sold C6 (LS2) was not electronically governed, it is drag limited at I believe 192ish?? The body can take whatever and still be stable but it just runs out of engine/HP at that speed.

I'd put the Camaro and the Mustang on the same field here, similar shape. I'd be hard pressed to suggest going over 155/160. You want to push the 200 mph limit, you better get something more aerodynamic like a Corvette...

[vetteman07]

in my c6 u get three choies everthing on or comp mode or everthing off do we get that in the v6 A6 .if it evere gets here they build them one hour from from my house I want to go over and see whats taking so long , or maybe better to tell them take your time do a good job

[vetteman07]

stability control and trak control two things ? two buttons two push of buttons ,longer time held down I am realy confused here any who is lucky enough to have there car yet who can explain a bit more please

[Bewenched]

At SFX we've been trying to get a correct readout when dynoing our L99 / Auto Camaro SS, our problem is that even when we turn off traction control completely it turns itself back on at 80mph on the dyno, I'm thinking that we are going to have to take it to a 4 wheel dyno so to trick the traction control by having the front wheels spinning at the same rate as the rear.

We have not found a way to completely disable the traction control. If anyone has any ideas or has done this please PM me.

[2010 SSRS]

interesting

[gomezcorp]

limiter is just that and as a former owner of an, "Utimate Driving Machine," BMW, some of us know how to handle those type of machines and have the expertise to know how to handle them. Amateur, rookie, whimp, can't handle speed, stay away from Camaros or anything else with the power...