2014 Camaro Refresh to Debut at New York Auto Show

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

BTW... not claiming to be an expert just stating my familiarity with the 4.3L.

Sent from my friggin Droid by two thumbs using Tapatalk 2 or whatever the ish it's called....

90 digree V6 engines are inherently unbalanced because the pulses are at uneven intervals. As such each engine must have a balance shaft. Every 4.3 I've experienced hasn't really had any balance issues but they were all balance shaft engines.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by nak3dsnake

Act in what way? I meant no disrespect to you or anyone, and I cannot predict how other individuals will interpret my text as it cannot properly convey emotions. You criticize the way I acted, yet respond in the way you did in your previous post to Firefighter? Perhaps you should be less defensive?

You assumed that everyone should have seen the same news or information you did. If I saw it, it wasn't important to me, so it did not stay in permanent memory. So I apologize.

My reply to firefighter was just giving my view of the 4.3 V6s I have owned in the past. I edited my post to clarify.

[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

I had 4 vehicles with that motor and to my experience none of them "shook like hell" as you say. Yes they shook but I never had one issue with motor mounts. All 4, from the 1988 to the 1996 were great engines and never had a issue other than one got an oil leak and my son didn't check the oil and spun a bearing at 175,000 miles.

I've owned 3 S/T trucks all 4.3L a 1991 2dr Blazer and a 2003 2dr Blazer plus I currently keep a 1998 extended cab for utility use.

The two Blazers had a combined 325K miles on them and to be honest the mounts on them spent more time torn than not. On the '03 I installed some mounts from JTR that was supposed to end the tearing issues they did but this is when I realized just how much they shook. If the idle was anything below 750 RPM the whole truck rocked and rattled. I found it quite annoying. Until then I felt similar to you with the thinking they didn't shake soo bad.

It's really odd like it was said they are inherently imbalanced due to the nature and fireing order. I've been used to a Left to Right shake in old cammed SBC's but the 4.3L does a fore to aft thing and it is a nightmare to counteract even with the balance shaft.

In stock form they are pretty smooth but when you have idiots (like me) try to hot rod them you get trouble.

This is why I wonder how the new 4.3L will work. I can assume that it will structurally have similar issues being a 90* V6 like the old 4.3L but in it's favor it has the advantage of a vastly more advanced fueling system and computer control.

The odds of me owning one are slim as I am now going to be a Camaro guy and moving back to my V8 roots but I'm still curious. I wouldn't mind seeing one in a Colorado tyoe truck with a 6 speed auto. I could use a compact crew cab p/u in the next few years. I refuse to buy another 4 spd auto though and I don't like the inline 4 or 5 that the Colorado has. I though about the 5.3L version. I bought the '98 Dime with cash and have a few bucks into it. It'll do well for an occasional ride to Home Depot and my weekly pool route.

These are the mounts I installed... http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Par...entMounts.html ... they were durable and wouldn't tear but hell they shook.

BTW... I din't see the first unedited version of your post but I have thick skin and I realize the internet is difficult ot interpet sometimes.

[Angrybird 12]

Ok I understand now why I never had a problem with the motor mounts and you did. Mine all remained stock, I just remembered I actually had 6 with the 4.3 ,when you have owned as many cars as I have you forget a few, 3 S-10 Blazers, and 3 full sized pickups, my first was a 88 S10 Blazer and my last was a 2004 Chevy Silverado. I had an 89 Chevy Scottsdale that I pulled a pop-up camper with and took to to Florida and Canada. And got 20 MPG doing it. That's the one I gave to my son when he turned 16.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Maybe because I wasn't at the press conference and never saw that info, basically because I dont really care about the new truck release.You don't have to act that way in your reply...

Wow.

[90503]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Wow.

....couldn't let Angrybird's thread fall off the first page...lol...Somebody would just start another one....

[nikos30]

this thread is about the new camaro design and the show and not you big babies whining.

relax

[Angrybird 12]

10 more days and all the speculation will be over....

[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

10 more days and all the speculation will be over....

Really can't wait...

[Hitman84]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

Really can't wait...

it's forcing me to hold off on ordering, you can't wait? I can't wait!
LoL hoping for some leaks or something to let me make an early decision.

[Fenderaddict2]

Based on all the Corvette pics that preceded the car in thinking minor interior and front and rear tweaks with a modest HP bump or we'd have seen a leak by now.

[CamaroSkooter]

Originally Posted by detltu

Reread my post. I didn't say it was impossible. I also wouldn't consider the 91 Camaro a refresh. The good news is the 5th gen is selling at levels it hasn't sold at in a long time. Selling at a larger number helps to justify the cost for the refresh (a la the 69). I suspect if the 6th gen is still coming in a year or two the refresh will be fairly minor.

I really don't understand what you're trying to say. I didn't say that you said it was impossible. I was responding to your, "A refresh seems like a lot of trouble for only two years," comment, and I provided instances where just the Camaro line-up alone has had refreshes within a year to two of the next generation being debuted.

And as far as 1991 being a refresh, from wikipedia:

Early in 1990, the 1991 Camaros debuted. Big changes occurred, as all Camaros received a facelift in the form of a ground effects package for both the RS and Z28 models, while the IROC-Z was no longer offered. The Z28 also featured a high rise spoiler and non-functional hood "blisters". The 1991 Z28 also received a new wheel design to accent the new body that the B4C "Special Service" option was made available to law enforcement, the government, and military agencies. The B4C amounted to little more than a Z28 powertrain and suspension in the RS.

Now, while you and I may not consider those to be "big" changes, they are in line with what Chevrolet considers a "refresh."

Originally Posted by detltu

The point of a refresh is to keep a car relevant until a new model is ready. A refresh within a year or two of a new model is the exception. not the norm.

Like I said above, there are multiple instances where a refresh came within one to two years of the next generation debut.

So, you're saying that the point of a refresh is to keep the car relevant but only if it happens with more than 3 years before the next generation is supposed to debut?

[SS 376]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Based on all the Corvette pics that preceded the car in thinking minor interior and front and rear tweaks with a modest HP bump or we'd have seen a leak by now.

I think this is probably right. I dont think there will be any new engines or anything dramatic like that.

[TJ91]

nothing dramatic, just new fasica and lighting and possibly the exhaust(possibly)
Just hope its not the LENO bumper, anything else ill be happy with lol