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10-07-2010, 10:13 AM | #58 | |
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You can sue for up to $5,000 claims plus costs and attorney's fees if you choose to utilize one. The small claims court judge will decide who prevails based on the discovery and testimony presented. If the dealership did not employ due diligence in determining the root cause of the part failure and prove it to the satisfaction of the judge, the judge is likely to rule in favor of the claimant. Just do not file a frivolous claim where there is not a reasonable chance of prevailing based on the discovery you are able to present in court. |
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10-11-2010, 10:19 PM | #59 |
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^solid advice.
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11-14-2010, 09:28 AM | #60 |
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I would like to have AFM removed but if I do, it appears that GM would disavow the power train warranty. As the only way I know how to do it is through a tune.
Even if the tune ONLY disables the AFM. Even tho that would under the Magnuson-Moss Act I should be able to. So the act doesn't help with that issue, unless I can afford to pay a lawyer and wait a couple of years for resolution. Until/unless that happens GM doesn't have to prove anything! Not sure the Magnuson-Moss Act really of that much benefit to the average joe. |
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Bottom line: if you can't pay to play, don't mess with your car. |
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01-09-2011, 11:59 PM | #62 | |
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And I think these forums are a great tool for anyone who wants to know where the good guys are. People will drive a long way to deal with someone with the right attitude. Personality and attitude , I have leaned. will get you farther in life than education and knowledge. |
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04-18-2011, 06:08 PM | #63 |
Thanks for the information this answers my question that I was going to ask in the forum. I think that I will leave out the cold air intake.
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06-08-2011, 06:36 PM | #64 |
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ok so is the car warrenty void if you have a no mod car and take it to the dragstrip a few times.
lets say after you take it to the strip a few months later you have a clutch or rear end problem will you still be covered? Thanks Xracer |
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Good read. Thanks for the info. I'm planning on adding a CAI and a Cat-Back system in the near future. Since both are bolt-on, I'm not to worried. I'll make sure to check with the dealer ahead of time, but its good to know that my warranty rights are protected.
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07-05-2011, 10:20 AM | #66 |
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Xracer, since no one directly answered your question, I thought I would pipe up. Unfortunately, that is a bit of a tricky question and a gray area. The warranty doesn't explicitly say anything about racing or track use that I could find. Although, it does state "All the above items are not covered for damage due to accident, misuse,...". Again, this probably really comes down to the relationship you have with your dealer and the kind of damage that you do. If you tell them you were at the track when it happened, they might consider that misuse. Also, keep in mind that most insurance companies don't cover any damage to a car that happens on a track. Many tracks offer supplemental insurance for a few. Just something else to consider.
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07-06-2011, 11:33 AM | #67 | |
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Below is the page in the warranty booklet. (The highlighted text was used to make a different point in another thread. It's not relevant to this specific topic.) Bullet point 2 says that if you damage the car during racing, the warranty will not cover repairs.
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For more detail, there is actually this statement in the Owner's Manual under Competitive Driving: Competitive Driving Competitive driving may affect the vehicle warranty. See the warranty book before using the vehicle for racing or other competitive driving. |
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07-07-2011, 10:35 PM | #69 | |
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In all honesty, I meant nothing personal by my comment. Hope you didn't take it that way. [rant] I have very high regards for this site. It is well ran and well funded. This site pretty much sets the bar for similar sites, so the content in these technical forums should be accurate, imo. Instead, we have to put on a pair of waste-high waders before entering to get through all the misinformation and bs. [/rant]
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07-08-2011, 07:59 AM | #70 | |
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Early on in that process I was sending everything up because I too wanted everyone to be happy. However, I realized that some people weren't being honest and truthful and it was leading to a lot of extra, unnecessary work for my friends at GM. So now when I get an escalation I try to put it through some "screening" if you will before I send it up. I don't want to cry wolf so much that the process doesn't work at all. That probably explains why at times I am a bit skeptical and questioning. I have had a taste of what happens in the background and I have seen those who abuse both the warranty process, the customer service process and GM in general. When you witness that first-hand, then you will understand. Does that part make sense? So now to your comments on mis-information on here. Welcome to the Internet. I can't speak for the mods so what I am about to say it my own personal opinion and may not be shared by anyone else. First of all, when I post information, I try to go directly to GM (web site, owner's manuals, my friends, etc) before I post information. I try to be as factual as I personally can. If I am not 100% sure, I usually state that. I definitely don't want to make anyone believe anything that isn't true. When I stated what I did above regarding the warranty as I said I pulled that directly from the GM warranty web site. I will tell you, there are a lot of people out there who don't know what they are talking about, but state it as if they were 100% sure. That's both the great part and the bad part about the Internet and sites like this. If you spend a lot of time on here, you quickly realize who is who. Unfortunately, if you don't it is sometimes hard to tell. But as a community, how do you differentiate? And frankly, I have seen cases where there are people who think they are in the know so to speak, who also appear to be credible sources, but who in particular cases have bad or incomplete information. In those cases, there is almost nothing you can do. Finally, a closing note on warranty. Unfortunately, it isn't always black and white. For example, just as I pasted below: Competitive driving may affect the vehicle warranty. May affect. That doesn't say it will or it won't. It really depends on a number of factors. Your relationship with your dealer is very, very important in my opinion. I have said it numerous times on here. Don't buy from a place bcause it has the lowest price. Buy from them because you know them. You can trust them. Do you know your salesman's name? Do you know the general manager's name? The owner? The service manager? I know all those at my dealer. I go talk to them when I stop in. I send other customers to them and I give them information. Have a relationship with them. I also ask them before I do things to my car that might affect the warranty. In fact, on one occasion, I asked them to check with the regional support team to see what their opinion was before I did anything. Now I get it that maybe in all cases that type of relationship isn't possible. My fallback opinion (and I get that it isn't always popular) is if you can't or don't want to pay to fix your car, then don't take the chance on doing anything that could remotely void or affect the warranty. And if you choose to do so, be responsible and man-up to what you did. Again, I get that there are cases where you mod-ed the engine and the door fell off and the dealer said you aren't under warranty. By all means, that should be escalated. I hope all that makes sense. I didn't start out planning on making a giant post, but there was just a lot to say. And I don't want this to turn into a debate about what GM should and shouldn't fix. I just wanted to give you and others an insight into my thoughts. It's just my two cents... |
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