03-10-2011, 12:35 PM | #57 | |
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At Laguna though, it would be close to the new GTR but still behind the Z06C because the Z can get up to 133mph on that track where the Boss can only reach 129mph. Even though there were only two laps conducted in the Boss that were recorded as official, I can only see a 130mph speed from the Boss which could put it as low as 1:39.50... The Boss 302 LS is exempt due to its low production run... |
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03-10-2011, 12:37 PM | #58 |
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Im not one of thsoe close-minded guys who would never own a Ford, Ill buy anything as long as it looks good. That being said - why do people obsess over stuff like this? Will your world come crashing down around you if a Mustang beats you to the next stoplight? Seriously, who cares? I think the Camaro and Challenger are both better looking. You could sell the Camaro and Challenger with only a 200hp motor, and Id still buy it over a lightning quick Mustang. Maybe the next redesign will produce a great looking Mustang, and then Ill want one, but strictly based on looks.
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03-10-2011, 12:37 PM | #59 |
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Ford factory limited the RPMs at 7500 so never, but if they were in 3rd most of the time, it would be above 7000 most of the time. Thats where the Boss makes its power so the key to fast lap times is keeping the RPM's above 7k.
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03-10-2011, 12:45 PM | #60 | |
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Obsess? Automobiles are my hobby and everything that involves them. What’s your hobby? "Looks" are also usually something that is referred to when trying to make a loser of a competition fell better about losing... "At least you got your looks" Last edited by thePill; 03-10-2011 at 12:59 PM. |
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03-10-2011, 01:08 PM | #61 | |
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personally i love the front end of the new mustangs and what Ford did with the 5.0 coyote engine is amazing (i really hate people comparing the LSX engines to it because it's a whole different engine) but like most people i'm for driving a car on the street, not the track so would the average Joe be at 7000-8500rpms? no not anywhere close to that but i guess having bragging rights of "my Boss 302 is faster than your M3 on a track" might mean a lot to some people. hopefully GM does make something to be Ford's competitor on the grand am series instead of the M3 :( that either means Ford knows they blew Chevy out of the water and doesn't need to worry about them or they were blown out of the water by Chevy . . . i'm leaning with the don't fear the Camro in the grand am series
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VS. the 5.0 GT At 12% drivetrain loss its about 472hp and 402tq at the flywheel. Unless Ford developed an extremely efficient drive train and only lose 10% which would bring it to about 460hp and 400tq. Last edited by thePill; 03-10-2011 at 01:43 PM. |
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03-10-2011, 01:41 PM | #63 | |
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The only thing the Boss is showing is how fast it is at one track. Congrats' to Ford for stripping a street car to a race car, and comparing it to a luxury street car that is advanced as they come. You show me more results at other tracks under comparable conditions, and I'll reconsider. Until then, this topic is just Ford fodder on a CAMARO website, and it's getting old.
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03-10-2011, 01:54 PM | #64 |
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other than the intake whats different on the boss engine and the coyote engine?
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There was alot that was changed, cams, forged internals, sodium valves... It shares the block, head castings, pistons and crank with the 5.0. I will look into it though and get back to you in detail.
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The Boss 302 is not a stripper car, I don't understand where you guys are getting this at. Furthermore, why nobody has even taken the time to look and see if it was stripped or not. It has the GT's interior, there was nothing taken out, full dash, console, seats, carpet, sound system, speakers... It will never be a fair comparison, period.. because people refuse to compare it... Nobody wants an M3 killer, because the people with M3's would moan... You are talking about Pedders suspension video (which is fantastic suspension) but I hope you will take note that that Saleen Mustang only had 450rwhp compared to the 556rwhp Camaro... There was a problem with the axle and the problem was it needed 106 more horsepower. What was the margin of victory? Pete himself said the axle needed more room to move and they fixed the issue and found another second in the car... I stand corrected, I guess the Mustang isn't better than the M3... I was lead to believe that performance was the milestone in which vehicles are judged... now that the Mustang is there... Its the shinny knobs, leather and the quality of plastic that is paramount. |
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Yup I think the Vette is one of the top performers as well, but the initial cost of the car and insurance seems to be were cars like the Boss are quickly gaining ground. Especially when they perform at or just below the Vette. I'm looking a the Grand Sport option in a few years, but 55K starting as apposed to 41k for the Boss has me looking at the opposition. The used market favors the Vette, because you can find some great deals on them, but not likely to find a used Boss (low and limited production)
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I didn't see a back seat, nav', leather, and many other amenities; I looked at the website. Yes - that video, and if you followed along that whole story, you would've read the 'Stang had a problem with suspension travel and the SS had bad heat-soak problems and wasn't making the same power on the track it would at the dyno'. Regardless - that heavier car with IRS still hung with the lighter Mustang. Perhaps you should re-read some posts because all I've said is compare apples-to-apples. If you want to talk about a race car, compare it to another. If you're strictly looking for performance - fine; but not everyone only considers performance - some people want a complete package. However - don't deminish those points if you want to enter a conversation. No one like a one-sided conversation. Otherwise - maybe some Boss fanboys will welcome your knowledge, because, frankly, I'm done reading it. I conceed to your sarcasm... LET'S ALL BUY BOSS's BECAUSE 'Pill APPROVES!!!
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awesome thank you! i like to learn more about other engines, not just what i own
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