05-13-2010, 12:01 AM | #57 |
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Yep. Reason I did not respond. His point is a low grade oil is just fine to run in your engine as-long-as it does not void your warranty and meets minimum spec.
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05-13-2010, 08:30 AM | #58 | |
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Hey, I'm surprised an Amsoil dealer might criticize a post that could hurt their sales. But hey, if you'd like to debate a specific point(s) you feel I've gotten wrong, I'm right here and more than willing. I am human, I very well could be mistaken, I do know that facts would back up your sales pitch much better than sarcastic comments and smilies.
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Maybe you could explain where the benefit is in running $9/qt Amsoil when $5/qt Mobil 1 provides your engine all the protection it needs? Unless you're going to run extended intervals, the UOA's that go along with them, and don't really care about your warranty, I just don't see it. |
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05-13-2010, 05:57 PM | #59 | |
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if you noticed i dont have any sales threads on these forums,,, YET!
With that being said retail sales are not in my mission, we do mostly wholesale and shops with many shops around the nation and many vendors. i am trying to educate and share with you all the data i have seen from first hand and from others ,,, iam not saying in any way that AMSOIL is the last bucket of gold in the field,, but i am saying that your American muscle car should be making sure that what you are using in your 30,000 thousand dollar plus investment is the bes of the best ,, hence will help you in reliability which is the most important thing. i always back my claims with data, whether is oil analysis, race cars that show their engines when taken apart to prove the different products and to sho that AMSOIL has proven to be very well established and very competitive and giving you the best in quality. just saying Quote:
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I have 80K on the clock and Drag Race it every weekend for 4 years so just saying
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05-14-2010, 10:07 AM | #61 |
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The best way to protect your engine is through by-pass filtration and synthetic oils. I use Amsoil. I installed a by-pass system on my old car, the oil stayed clear/amber for the entire time I used it. The oil was not changed for 48,000 miles with zero problems. The only reason I took it off was so that I could install it on my Camaro. Oil doesn't wear out.
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05-14-2010, 04:18 PM | #62 | |
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that exaplins the lead, however iam still wondering about the high content of metals, rule of thumb analysis labs have is if they see double digits like those they flag and thats why iam really curouse to see the Blackstone labs did not flag it, but at the same time it doesnt suprise me from them and they are not a full blown lab like Oil Analyzers is. |
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05-14-2010, 04:21 PM | #63 | |
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well you are crazy,,, but i respect you for that for trusting the fluid,,, SSO 0W30 which is also reccomended for the Camaro SS and non SS can go up to 35K or a full year,,, do the math and thats a bunch of money and time saved in oil changes. the EA filter will also keep your oil nice and clean,,, many of my wholesale accounts come back saying that their oil stays much cleaner for longer periods with the EA filters. |
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05-14-2010, 10:32 PM | #64 | |
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Dyno coming tomorrow. |
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05-19-2010, 10:25 PM | #66 |
Here is my response from royal purple!!!
Good Afternoon Mr. Bird, The oil specified for your Camaro is a 5W-30 that has the API Starburst symbol on it. Also, the oil must meet the GM 4718M performance spec. All Royal Purple motor oils meet or exceed the performance requirements of GM4718M, and GM6094M. The GM 4718M spec is largely an oxidation testing sequence GM began using back in the mid to late 1990’s with the introduction of the C5 Corvette. The new design created some inherent issues with oil cooling. GM needed an oil which could handle higher temperatures for extended periods without a significant increase in the oxidation rate. In 360F Thin Film Oxidation Uptake (TFOUT ASTM D4742) testing, Royal Purple SAE engine oils exceed 1200 minutes before failure. Most synthetics, including GM4718M licensed Mobil 1, will typically reach failure in less than 500 minutes. The GM 6094M specification is a low temperature cold cranking viscosity. The pumping viscosities specified by GM6094M are shown below. The Royal Purple pumping viscosities are shown for comparison. I have also attached the Royal Purple motor oil data sheet: GM6094M: For 0W-XX oils - 30,000 cP@ -40°C For 5W-XX oils - 40,000 cP@ -35°C For 10W-XX oils - 50,000 cP@ -30°C Royal Purple: For 0W-40 oils - 20,000 cP@ -40°C For 5W-20 oils - 22,200 cP@ -35°C For 5W-30 oils - 34,800 cP@ -35°C For 5W-40 oils – 21,500 cP@ -35°C For 10W-30 oils - 18,000 cP@ -30°C Higher numbers indicate a thicker, or more viscous fluid. As can easily be seen, Royal Purple motor oils have much better cold flow (lower pumping viscosities) than required. Even though Royal Purple motor oils meet or exceed the performance requirements of GM 4718M and GM6094M, we cannot list certification because the GM specs also require an API SM rating. We also can not show the API Starburst logo because we do not carry the API SM rating. We have held most of our motor oils back from API SM (most RP SAE motor oils are API SL) because of the lower amount of anti-wear additive allowed in API SM/ILSAC GF-4 oils. The reason for the restriction on anti-wear additive is that certain components of anti-wear additive were shown to cause premature degradation of catalytic converters. OEMs are now mandated by the EPA to warranty the emission system separately from the power train. Rudimentary experimentation showed certain anti-wear additives do in fact degrade catalytic converters; however, the anti-wear additive was applied directly to the core of the cats during the tests. If enough oil is consumed in the combustion chamber (i.e. through poor piston ring seal and/or leaking valve seals), there can be degradation in catalytic converter life. This is not an issue with Royal Purple motor oils used in a mechanically sound engine. The OEMs are willing to trade the longevity of the engine for a possibility of extending the life of the catalytic converters. We do not agree with reducing anti-wear protection for the engine. For our customers who have vehicles under an OEM warranty that require API-SM rated oils, and have chosen to use Royal Purple API-SL oil, we offer a corporate warranty in the case that engine damage or failure is directly attributable to Royal Purple Oil. I have attached a copy of the warranty for your review. In summary, Royal Purple motor oils are not currently warranty compliant for your Camaro. If strict warranty compliance is your primary concern, we may not be the best choice. However, if performance and protection are your primary concern, Royal Purple SAE 5W-30 (part #01530, quart bottle) would be an excellent choice. Thanks for choosing Royal Purple and have a great day! Best Regards, Christopher Barker Tech Services Royal Purple, Inc. 1 Royal Purple Ln. Porter, TX 77365 281-354-8600 |
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05-20-2010, 02:09 PM | #67 | |
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I dont want to get into a bashing pasing contest here.
however typical of RP or any other off the shelf oil not hard data ASTM testing to just typical my oil meets your GM specs,,, hey even dyno oil could meet specs however does it perform ?? I ask you to please share data with us, ASTM/lab testing in general, the type of testing that will show this community that your oil outperforms, in an attemps to educate this community and show them what is the best choice of oil for them and not what is the best choice for x type of company. Quote:
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05-29-2010, 08:47 AM | #68 |
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My self I don't care how good an oil claims it is if it doesn't have on the bottle that it meets GM specs I won't use it. Call me dumb, ignorant, crazy or whatever.
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these 2 items are the additives that cause the Cat failure that the Rep talked about. But again if your not burning oil then the cats are safe, again I am at 81000 miles and my cats are fine, I just replaced my 02 sensors, they were acting up. BTW, Amsoil also adds ZDDP to their Oil. (Zinc Dialkyl Dithio Phosphate) http://zddp.net/ http://www.ttalk.info/Zddp.htm http://www.zddplus.com/
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