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[Stew]

Originally Posted by alrox

No. Emissions has nothing to do with a convertible top.

There is no way to misunderstand this.

But if Chrysler is sending it out for final assembly nothing is actually being replaced. THAT is what you are misunderstanding. THere are 3 possiilities. 1. It will all be done in house. 2. The car will be shipped to an aftermarket company and everything installed there ie not sending an SRT8 out to be stripped and rebuilt. 3. It will be sent to an aftermarket company company and bear their name and be sold at Dodge dealerships in much the same way as Saleens and Roushes are at Ford dealerships. Anywho, I am, done, we will not agree, so be it.

[alrox]

Originally Posted by Stew

But if Chrysler is sending it out for final assembly nothing is actually being replaced. THAT is what you are misunderstanding. THere are 3 possiilities. 1. It will all be done in house. 2. The car will be shipped to an aftermarket company and everything installed there ie not sending an SRT8 out to be stripped and rebuilt. 3. It will be sent to an aftermarket company company and bear their name and be sold at Dodge dealerships in much the same way as Saleens and Roushes are at Ford dealerships. Anywho, I am, done, we will not agree, so be it.

We disagree. This is not the 1960's. The scenario you described is not legal. You're wrong.

[SuperFly03]

Originally Posted by alrox

We disagree. This is not the 1960's. The scenario you described is not legal. You're wrong.

it's not legal to ship an engine-less car to an aftermarket shop to toss a SRT10 engine in there and then have them ship it back?

[alrox]

Originally Posted by SuperFly03

it's not legal to ship an engine-less car to an aftermarket shop to toss a SRT10 engine in there and then have them ship it back?

Correct. The engine is not emissions tested by any car manufacturer since you are explicitly trying to circumvent them in this scenario. You will not have a street legal car leave the factory without an engine.

Saleen got away with this 11 years ago with the S351, but technically Saleen is a car manufacturer with its own VIN series and had to emissions certify the engine. They lost money on the whole process. Henessey does not have this. Roush does not have this. RUF does have it's own VIN series, but with the small amount of cars they've sold with RUF VIN's its hardly worth mentioning.

Perhaps the most important factor here is that Dodge would make less money by doing this even if it was legal.

No one can name any car manufacturer that does what he is proposing. If you can, please do so.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by alrox

No one can name any car manufacturer that does what he is proposing. If you can, please do so.

you know... starting back in 96... GM shipped unfinished camaros to SLP for final production for the SS/Z28 models. granted after a few years, GM brought everything in house, but in order to buy an SS/Z28 camaro, it had to go to SLP from the factory first.

[SuperFly03]

Originally Posted by alrox

Correct. The engine is not emissions tested by any car manufacturer since you are explicitly trying to circumvent them in this scenario. You will not have a street legal car leave the factory without an engine.

Saleen got away with this 11 years ago with the S351, but technically Saleen is a car manufacturer with its own VIN series and had to emissions certify the engine. They lost money on the whole process. Henessey does not have this. Roush does not have this. RUF does have it's own VIN series, but with the small amount of cars they've sold with RUF VIN's its hardly worth mentioning.

Perhaps the most important factor here is that Dodge would make less money by doing this even if it was legal.

No one can name any car manufacturer that does what he is proposing. If you can, please do so.

Funny, didn't dodge/chrysler design the Viper engine? Also, wouldn't it be tested by dodge/chrysler post mod before being sold?

[alrox]

Originally Posted by SuperFly03

Funny, didn't dodge/chrysler design the Viper engine? Also, wouldn't it be tested by dodge/chrysler post mod before being sold?

It's not funny. Why would Dodge have to test someone else's work on an unfinished product that is not on their property?

Engine swap laws are very defined. You will not find holes in the law with your sarcasm.

V10 Challenger will not happen from Dodge.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by alrox

It's not funny. Why would Dodge have to test someone else's work on an unfinished product that is not on their property?

Engine swap laws are very defined. You will not find holes in the law with your sarcasm.

V10 Challenger will not happen from Dodge.

But this is NOT an engine swap scenario

[alrox]

Originally Posted by Stew

But this is NOT an engine swap scenario

True, because it would never get to that point. Dodge cannot sell a street legal car without an engine from the factory.

Your statement comes down to 'if they break all these laws they can do it', which holds no weight in real life.

[alrox]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

you know... starting back in 96... GM shipped unfinished camaros to SLP for final production for the SS/Z28 models. granted after a few years, GM brought everything in house, but in order to buy an SS/Z28 camaro, it had to go to SLP from the factory first.

SLP did not replace the engines or remove the legally required emissions equipment. If you wish to bring up the 108 1997 LT4 fbody cars to refute this, these cars were purchased by a dealer or customer, modified by SLP and delivered to customers. The VIN # of all these cars show a 'P', denoting LT1 original installation.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by alrox

True, because it would never get to that point. Dodge cannot sell a street legal car without an engine from the factory.

Your statement comes down to 'if they break all these laws they can do it', which holds no weight in real life.

you are not making any sense, the 8.4 V10 is a Chrysler Engine from the CHrysler factory.

[alrox]

Originally Posted by Stew

you are not making any sense, the 8.4 V10 is a Chrysler Engine from the CHrysler factory.

Yes, but it has not been emissions tested in a Challenger, nor crash tested. Both of these cost a lot of money to do and depending upon how many cars they plan to sell and the cost of doing so determines if it is viable business. The MY 2011 SRT8 is already targeted at the high end enthusiast, so even if they did have V10 Challengers rolling off the assembly line, it would have to be in MY 2012.

Since it is a Chrysler motor, why wouldn't Chrysler be installing it then? Your logic is false.

[v6sonoma]

I think the chances of a V10 challenger are slim. Keep in mind MPG's will be a big issue for car manufacturers and big engine low volume cars are gonna be a tougher sell. Even if that doesn't affect the chances things like this will.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/19/i...inned-alfa-8c/

If they can't even get a true Viper out then the V10 challenger really becomes a stretch.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by alrox

Yes, but it has not been emissions tested in a Challenger, nor crash tested. Both of these cost a lot of money to do and depending upon how many cars they plan to sell and the cost of doing so determines if it is viable business. The MY 2011 SRT8 is already targeted at the high end enthusiast, so even if they did have V10 Challengers rolling off the assembly line, it would have to be in MY 2012.

Since it is a Chrysler motor, why wouldn't Chrysler be installing it then? Your logic is false.

I don't know maybe there are changes that need to be made to the chasis or the ssembly line can't easily be made able to handle it so the work gets outsourced, that does not mean they cannot cetify the CHRYSLER V10 for use in the Challenger.