Ethanol 15 approved by EPA

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by My 5th

No it wasn't bunk. The lead was necessary to lubricate the valve seats. If your "old" engine didn't have hardened valve seats running unleaded gas would eventually lead to valve and seat failure. Take it from one who actually was driving and hot rodding cars in the 60's

How do you explain AMOCO UNLEADED? ... there were other additives that could take the place of lead and do the same job...

[ZED SLED]

Originally Posted by its a syn

you might want to consider sheep

I'm not Muslim, so the goats are safe, but I am originally from West 'BY GOD' Virginia, where men are men, and sheep are nervous.

[greenrail]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

How do you explain AMACO UNLEADED? ... there were other additives that could take the place of lead and do the same job...

Skyman - Sorry to be saying this but it is spelled - "AMOCO."

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by greenrail

Skyman - Sorry to be saying this but it is spelled - "AMOCO."

thanks I stand corrected...

[greenrail]

Even with all the bad press, I only use their 93 Octane Gold in my Camaro!

[hot_rod]

Haven't had problems yet? Consider yourself lucky!

The auto guys have some test data anyway.

Posted this a while back, context is about this e85 fuel....

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/05/bu...gy-environment

In part:
"Automakers have opposed the change since the E.P.A. first signaled it last year. But now the industry says it has conducted tests that confirm the higher-ethanol blend will cause problems in many cars.
Half of the engines tested so far have had some problems, said C. Coleman Jones, the biofuel implementation manager at General Motors, who spoke on behalf of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers. "
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[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by hot_rod

Haven't had problems yet? Consider yourself lucky!

The auto guys have some test data anyway.

Posted this a while back, context is about this e85 fuel....

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/05/bu...gy-environment

In part:
"Automakers have opposed the change since the E.P.A. first signaled it last year. But now the industry says it has conducted tests that confirm the higher-ethanol blend will cause problems in many cars.
Half of the engines tested so far have had some problems, said C. Coleman Jones, the biofuel implementation manager at General Motors, who spoke on behalf of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers. "
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the link didn't work :(

[cab2g]

Man people sure hate change.... We are in a world that is constantly changing. Believe it or not, eventually gasoline will be so expensive that they'll start selling synthetic gas to run on "classic" gasoline only cars. The world won't come to an end. Yes, gas will be expensive, but by then most other cars would either be so efficient that not much gas is needed or they will be running on some other cheap fuel.

Besides Ethanol's corrosive nature on plastic parts, it is actually higher octane, so it's not like that's a bad thing... All the best engines love high octane fuel! New cars will all be developed to support E15 and I bet if E15 becomes an issue for old cars, there will be retrofit kits to replace the corrosive parts that Ethanol eats through...

[HDDAN]

Originally Posted by INTIMIDAT3R

Welcome to OBAMALAND!!!

The stinking liberals know what's best for you and will stop at nothing to give it you.

We have a chance to curtail this nannyism and socialistic BS on November 2, please everybody, go and vote these A-holes out of office!

[greenrail]

Help me out here guys. The link doesn't work. Now, in the reference to the posting it is mentioned that it is about problems with E85, not E10 or E15.

No way of knowing here whther this is about problems with an E85 capable vehicle or someone putting E85 in a vehicle not set up to run same.

Let's compare apples to apples.

I have been running the fuel available here in Chicago area for 8 years. Same up in Wisconsin for the prior three years. No fuel related probelms in my Boat or any of my vehicles. This was all with a blend of up to 10% ethanol.

Not saying there may not be problems with E15. Which there may well be, let's see what the testing done by the manufacturers and EPA end up telling us. (Which was pointed out earlier as far as older vehicles.)

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by HDDAN

We have a chance to curtail this nannyism and socialistic BS on November 2, please everybody, go and vote these A-holes out of office!

lets not turn this into a political discussion please...

[hot_rod]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

the link didn't work :(

try this one
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/05/bu...20Jones&st=cse

If that doesn't work go to the nytimes.com and search on C. Coleman Jones

>>>with E85, not E10 or E15.

My mistake - context is the move/increase to the 15 we are discussing

[Toyaholic]

I already have to run lead substitute in my '69 455. Now I'll have to run an octane booster too? Is it the same density? How does this work with the floats in the carb?
Wondered how they were going to slow down the horsepower boom this time...... history repeats itself.... again!

[greenrail]

Originally Posted by Toyaholic

I already have to run lead substitute in my '69 455. Now I'll have to run an octane booster too? Is it the same density? How does this work with the floats in the carb?
Wondered how they were going to slow down the horsepower boom this time...... history repeats itself.... again!

This is why from 1972 on, vehicles were built primarily to run on Lead Free fuel. It required some engineering work (i.e. Hardened Valve Seat), but it got done. Most classic car collectors either use a Lead Substitue additive or have had the valve seats modified in their cars to use conventional lead free fuel.

Either way, over time we adapted. We lost a lot of performance for a while. But, with modern technologies, I don'tthink we will see the same gap develop like it did after 1974. (It took until the early '90's for the manufacturers to really catch up on performance.