Dodge will be having a rough time

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

This kind of stuff cracks me up. 0-60s on both cars are very close. Ignore the rags, look at what the real world folks are doing. 4.7 4.8 0-60s for Challenger RTs.

Remember, the 0-60's (which I hardly think should be the standard in performance anyway) we have on the Camaro are only factory estimates anyways. If you want real world results, hold your horses for some real Camaro numbers. I assure you it's faster than factory rating, which is notoriously conservative on every car. Perfect example? How about what you just posted on the Challenger?

[Bawt]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

I'll tell you what. Your big bad HEMI will most certainly leave a V6 Camaro in the dust. Good for you. Yes, there will be plenty of Mustang GT's for you to devour. Again, good for you. However, if you pull up at a light with an SS, and you think you are on even footing, you are sorely mistaken. If it is an automatic Camaro, go ahead and kiss all your pride goodbye. He is going to beat you, no matter how well you drive. If it is a manual Camaro, then you better cross your fingers and pray to your HEMI god that he misses a shift. Otherwise, he is going to beat you worse, and the only thing you will have to brag about is your number of spark plugs.

The R/T Challenger is a better car, I believe, than the SRT-8 as far as price is concerned. Until you start modifying your car, however, be fully prepared to take the numerous defeats you can, and undoubtedly will, suffer at the hands of SS Camaros you thought you could hang with.

Holy God. Best. Post. Ever.


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[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

Remember, the 0-60's (which I hardly think should be the standard in performance anyway) we have on the Camaro are only factory estimates anyways. If you want real world results, hold your horses for some real Camaro numbers. I assure you it's faster than factory rating, which is notoriously conservative on every car. Perfect example? How about what you just posted on the Challenger?

I agree 100%, but Ed even said he did good getting the Camaro down to 4.8.

Will be interesting to say the least.

[pharmd]

As far as performance goes, the SRT8 can't even outrun my Trailblazer...and I'm gonna worry about it beating my SS??? Any who cares about a powertrain warranty, mine won't be stock a day...so if you think you're gonna be racing stock SS's in your warranteed SRT8, it will be an embarracing existance.

Now I really like the Challenger...its a VERY nice looking ride, but I mean, coming on a Camaro forum and saying your car is better at this and that??? I guess its gonna happen, but whatever. The mopar is inferior on most accounts (not opinion)...skid pad, 0-60, 1/4 mile, mpg, lane change, braking, road course, etc etc...The Camaro will own these, and based on the shear size of this car, rear seating and truck space will far exceed previous 4th gen's. Chevy aimed at a different kind of buyer with this car, while trying to retain its usual "muscle car" base. This car can corner, but it will still out accelerate most cost comparable cars.

Also, the Mopar aftermarket is light years behind Chevy. All these Vette LS3 aftermarket parts, will already fit, headers will be developed in short order and tuning is already available. I respect your choice to buy your Challenger or Charger or whatever, I used to own a Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 and they do have some impressive capabilties. But I'm a Chevy guy and the SS was an easy choice.

At least we are all buying American and hopefully getting our Nations economy and auto industry moving in the right direction.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by pharmd

As far as performance goes, the SRT8 can't even outrun my Trailblazer...and I'm gonna worry about it beating my SS??? Any who cares about a powertrain warranty, mine won't be stock a day...so if you think you're gonna be racing stock SS's in your warranteed SRT8, it will be an embarracing existance.

Now I really like the Challenger...its a VERY nice looking ride, but I mean, coming on a Camaro forum and saying your car is better at this and that??? I guess its gonna happen, but whatever. The mopar is inferior on most accounts (not opinion)...skid pad, 0-60, 1/4 mile, mpg, lane change, braking, road course, etc etc...The Camaro will own these, and based on the shear size of this car, rear seating and truck space will far exceed previous 4th gen's. Chevy aimed at a different kind of buyer with this car, while trying to retain its usual "muscle car" base. This car can corner, but it will still out accelerate most cost comparable cars.

Also, the Mopar aftermarket is light years behind Chevy. All these Vette LS3 aftermarket parts, will already fit, headers will be developed in short order and tuning is already available. I respect your choice to buy your Challenger or Charger or whatever, I used to own a Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 and they do have some impressive capabilties. But I'm a Chevy guy and the SS was an easy choice.

At least we are all buying American and hopefully getting our Nations economy and auto industry moving in the right direction.

Must be a pretty quick Trailblazer.

I agree with you on the aftermarket support. That's really my only disappointment with the Challenger, but there are headers, cat backs, tuners, superchargers, and CAIs available pushing this thing to way over 500HP, so I'm good with that for a street car.

[ChevyBoiSS]

At least we are all buying American and hopefully getting our Nations economy and auto industry moving in the right direction.

amen to that!

Im a Chevy guy, even tho ive owned fords and actually wanted a Dodge Charger over a Monte Carlo.. but that was awhile ago.. lol at the end of the day it will cause too much excitement for me to see my fellow americans in their mustangs, camaros, chargers, challengers, g8's.. whatever american machine they drive. Let the Rivals of 2010 and beyond begin!! At the end of the day were just having fun and fixin this bad economy the last president got us in.

[pharmd]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Must be a pretty quick Trailblazer.

AWD 5000lb,pump gas, daily driver, NA Stock Shortblock LS2, this run was before the last round of mods...

http://s139.photobucket.com/albums/q..._04_22_29_.flv

This is why the A6 SS at 3900 lb, and LS3 is easy money 11's...if my TBSS at 5000lb can pick up almost 3 seconds and 16 mph from stock (NA 6.0L), the SS Camaro will run some very respectable times when the mods come...The tuning capabilities allow so many more options than Mopar, and we have a better foundation to start from than Ford (got blower?)...Anyway you slice it, the next few years will be fun owning a "pony" car again...

Another thing...I wish to goodness that all these American people who are buying their Ricey cars EVO, 370Z, GT-R etc, would freaking wake up and realize that all they are doing is selling out the country they live in....WTF? I don't care if it has a better interior, or has a turbo...the economy sucks and by buying rice your not helping...the value of a dollar is crap...the country used to be brother helping brother...now its self serving self...freakin wake up before our country and all it stands for is history.

[Blownhotrodder]

Your truck is awd, that makes all the diffrence in the world.

[pharmd]

Originally Posted by Blownhotrodder

Your truck is awd, that makes all the diffrence in the world.

How so? There are 2wd's 60' better than me???

AWD is a liability, they are significantly heavier (and slower)...the fastest bolt-on only TBSS just went 12.24 @ 109 BTW (2wd)...

[Blownhotrodder]

What do you 60?

[Tal]

Originally Posted by pharmd

Another thing...I wish to goodness that all these American people who are buying their Ricey cars EVO, 370Z, GT-R etc, would freaking wake up and realize that all they are doing is selling out the country they live in....WTF? I don't care if it has a better interior, or has a turbo...the economy sucks and by buying rice your not helping...the value of a dollar is crap...the country used to be brother helping brother...now its self serving self...freakin wake up before our country and all it stands for is history.

I'm going to say a few things here, I prefer to buy American and every car I've owned has been built in the U.S. by the 'Big Three'. There are good, smart people working for these companies but they have made serious mistakes, corporate management focused on the short term profits, idiot politicians making stupid laws and pressuring manufacturers into poor choices, greedy unions focused on the short term wages and protecting slackers rather than keeping more people employed at good honest work, management that has created and stuck with a flawed dealer system, etc, etc.

I'm fairly sure I want a new Camaro, the price seems fair, it looks hot, the performance numbers are looking right, I like the interior and overall package. But if after a test drive I decide I don't like it it's not my job to buy a car I don't want from a bunch of greedy SOB's that have played a serious part in wrecking our economy, it's their job to make something that I want so I'll give the greedy SOB's my money! I think they're doing a decent job of turning things around; five or ten years ago I could have counted the number of 'Big Three' built cars (not counting SUVs & Trucks) that I didn't consider disappointing compared to the competition on one hand, if I look at what they are selling today I think I would run out of toes trying to make that same count. I do think that we as a people do owe the auto companies and there employees one thing though, we need to get our politicians to stop screwing around with the auto industry or they might not ever have a fair chance at completing their turnaround.

[Silver Streak]

Originally Posted by pharmd

How so? There are 2wd's 60' better than me???

AWD is a liability, they are significantly heavier (and slower)...the fastest bolt-on only TBSS just went 12.24 @ 109 BTW (2wd)...

I would have to disagree with your assessment of AWD. Heavier yes, slower no. There are very capable AWD vehicles out there. What you gain in weight you gain in performance, kind of like the Camaro with IRS. AWD is not a liability by any means IMO. To each his own though!

[pharmd]

Originally Posted by Blownhotrodder

What do you 60?

1.739 to date...2WD's in the 1.6's with MT DR's...some are as low as a 3000stall.

The LS series of motors are really a spectacular platform. The are very durable and are conservatively tuned from the factory. It will not be hard to move a 3800-3900 lb SS into the 11's with bolt-ons considering the LS3 when LS2 4500 lb TBSS's are nearly there. And we aren't talking Atco DA's either, 1000+DA. All I'm saying is, there are gonna be people out there soon running well, but wait til fall, when the weather is good...you're gonna see some NASTY times with these cars!

[pharmd]

Originally Posted by Silver Streak

I would have to disagree with your assessment of AWD. Heavier yes, slower no. There are very capable AWD vehicles out there. What you gain in weight you gain in performance, kind of like the Camaro with IRS. AWD is not a liability by any means IMO. To each his own though!

Maybe not when road racing a GT-R, or street racing a EVO from a dig (or street racing in general), but I'm referring to my vehicle specifically...AND yes it is slower...no AWD will ET or MPH with a comparably modded 2wd (TBSS)...This is FACT.