July 2011 Camaro Sales and Production Figures. Camaro Retakes Monthly Sales Lead

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by thePill

I wouldn't claim victory for either car at this point. Sales are horrible... The only advantages the Mustang had was that it was successful in 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008. Sales tapered off in 2009 but it still continues to sell at the Camaro's pace. The Challenger enjoys an advantage because it has the highest profit margin of the 3 with the limit in production and the higher MSRP. The Camaro's sales are currently as good as the sales of the decade old Mustang. Numbers for the first year should have been 150k, that would have been a decent year. It took Ford 3 consecutive years at a sales volume of 150k average to make a profit. After three years, the Camaro is just now breaching 200k units sold. Here is the real spin, there really isn't nothing to see here. The Camaro's sales for a new model are not impressive. The Mustang's sales are bad so what would that make the Camaro's current sales? The Camaro does create excitement but sadly it is limited to this website...

The Challenger costs about the same as the Camaro or Mustang, unless you are specifically looking at the SRT8 model which probably accounts for less than 10% of sales. Its built about an hour away from the Camaro, by the same union, so labour costs are almost identical between the two. Both cars have a similar drivetrain, similar suspension systems, similar interior features, and so on. So I can't see how there is going to be too much of a difference in build cost. So, they don't save any money on building them, and they don't charge more for them ... where is the extra profit margin coming from?

As for Camaro sales volume ... something tells me that launching a performance car in the worst recession ever is going to reduce the total sales. For some strange reason, when people are worried about losing their job (and house), they're not really concerned with buying a brand new car. Crazy I know, but thats what happened. That said, prior to launch, GM's estimates for the 2010 Camaro were 80k and they still managed to greatly exceed it despite the recession (which hadn't hit when GM mentioned their forecast)

As for Camaro excitement being limited to this website ...

[10spokess]

I was talking about post 98 model camaros I even said that in the post (98-02)

[doc7000]

Seriously the Pill?

I am not sure if I can agree with you on the sales of this market segment being bad, when you consider how many sales existed in this market in 2006 compared to today. It was something like 160,000 units total in the entire market segment. Today that number is over 200,000 units in the market segment so it has grown and with the help of the Camaro and the Dodge Challenger.

That is impressive especially if you consider the Mustang was selling those numbers when the US auto industry was bigger then it is today.

The main reason for the growth of the segment though would have to come down to the Camaro which has peaked interest from demographics that weren't even interested in American cars. This segment has stolen sales from other market segments which is exactly what it needed to do.

The Mustang is selling at the rate of Camaro (if you subtract the 10,000 difference in sales).

At the same time the Camaro sales model was built around 8,000 to 10,000 units a month so they are also dealing with a production limitation. If they started to sell lets say 12,000 units a month they would have to expand production beyond what they planned to ever do. So to move the goal post to a mark where GM never intended for the Camaro to be at in a down economy really isn't realistic and is just you looking for any reason to call the Camaro a failure and the Mustang a success.

The biggest flaw with the Mustang are its fans......

[Axe]

Can you imagine your self-esteem being dependant on the car you drive? (cough, Pill, cough)

[Cam#7]

Originally Posted by 10spokess

So that means that there are more 5th gens out there than there are the Remodeled 4th gens 98-02 Thats insane. (212,370 4th gens, 236,329 5th gens)

Sorry, I wasn't following what you meant by Remodeled 4th Gens. I get it now, you meant the facelift. So the 212,370 number is the 4th gens from 98-02. The production numbers sure do fall off every year after the facelift.

[doc7000]

Originally Posted by Axe

Can you imagine your self-esteem being dependant on the car you drive? (cough, Pill, cough)

I wouldn't know how that feels, I have a pretty big ****.....

[PercyJWellingtonIII]

Originally Posted by Tran

July 2011 Delivery (sales) Stats:

Camaro July 2011 Deliveries (actual sales): 7,671
Total Deliveries in 2011: 56,432 (4.8% higher than same period last year)

July 2011 Production Stats:

Camaros Produced in July 2011: 4,522 (4,105 MY2012 / 417 MY2011)
Total Model Year 2011 Camaros produced: 106,987 (compared to total of 129,405 MY2010 produced)


Compared to Competition:

Mustang sold 6,805 units in July 2011 (45,846 year-to-date)
Challenger sold 3,509 units in July 2011

June 2011 stats: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156043
April 2011 stats: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150464


Great set of charts/graphs from Enator:

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In Chart #2 why does mustang have a red chevy bowtie emblem??

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by PercyJWellingtonIII

In Chart #2 why does mustang have a red chevy bowtie emblem??

...it doesn't?

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by PercyJWellingtonIII

In Chart #2 why does mustang have a red chevy bowtie emblem??

I assume this is what you're talking about:

Look again, its just a square with a line behind it. Camaro has a diamond, Challenger has a triangle.

Plus, a Chevy Bowtie features a much thicker bar with both sides slanted to the right. The specific 'Red Chevy Bowtie' emblem is unique from most other versions of the bowtie in that it is simply a red outline of the emblem and not a solid colour.

[daveagogo1]

Originally Posted by thePill

I wouldn't claim victory for either car at this point. Sales are horrible... The only advantages the Mustang had was that it was successful in 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008. Sales tapered off in 2009 but it still continues to sell at the Camaro's pace. The Challenger enjoys an advantage because it has the highest profit margin of the 3 with the limit in production and the higher MSRP. The Camaro's sales are currently as good as the sales of the decade old Mustang. Numbers for the first year should have been 150k, that would have been a decent year. It took Ford 3 consecutive years at a sales volume of 150k average to make a profit. After three years, the Camaro is just now breaching 200k units sold. Here is the real spin, there really isn't nothing to see here. The Camaro's sales for a new model are not impressive. The Mustang's sales are bad so what would that make the Camaro's current sales? The Camaro does create excitement but sadly it is limited to this website...

The very last sentence is horribly wrong. All you need to do is go to any decent sized local judged auto show where 5th gens are in the same class as the Mustangs. Every show i have been in this year 5th gens walked away with the hardware 3 to 1. Last large show here locally had 200+ cars. 12 5th gens won in class and 4 Mustangs won and none were stock. A totally insane customized Roush, A second Roush, A days old Boss 302 and a blown 5.0. Hell, i was entered in the wrong class. "Heavily modified" and i still won. Wrong class meaning i have ZERO performance mods beyond a CAI. That pretty much says it all.

I'm not bashing the Mustang but the facts are the facts.

[BowlingSS]

I'm would not bash the Mustang either but the facts are the facts.

Way to go Camaro.

Bill