Chevy called me, wow

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by davidj

It’s been said before but I'll say it again. When it comes down to it, it’s not the dealerships fault. It’s the idiots who buy the cars at 10k over MSRP. If no one bought the cars at these high prices the dealerships would have to lower the price to sell them. It’s not really supply and demand. It’s what someone is willing to pay. So the next time you’re talking to a new owner and he says he paid over MSRP, kick him in the nuts and throw his keys in the bushes.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by shnomac77

Tesla has a handfull of dealers...... GM has over 6500 reported by bloomburg.... HUGE DIFFERENCE.
There is alot of overhead that GM would be gaining by "owning" and running all of their own dealerships...

There's no doubt about that, but that 6500 needs to be cut down.. A LOT.

I think that if GM did it properly they could create an extremely profitable venture. Apple retail stores are some of the most profitable retail stores per square foot in the world because they control the experience.

I know, I know it's a big difference in the type of business. However, I'm sure that controlling the process of how your customers view and interact with your products could result in a lot more sales with a lot less hate for car salesmen.

I'm not saying it'd be easy but it's an interesting thought, not that it'd ever happen.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by davidj

It’s been said before but I'll say it again. When it comes down to it, it’s not the dealerships fault. It’s the idiots who buy the cars at 10k over MSRP. If no one bought the cars at these high prices the dealerships would have to lower the price to sell them. It’s not really supply and demand. It’s what someone is willing to pay. So the next time you’re talking to a new owner and he says he paid over MSRP, kick him in the nuts and throw his keys in the bushes.

What you have to remember is that the dealer probably turned away multiple people who wanted a car and were willing to pay MSRP. That doesn't matter to the dealer when he's making $10k over, but it sure as hell screws GM. They're making the same profit per car so the dealer turning people away hurts GM.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

There's no doubt about that, but that 6500 needs to be cut down.. A LOT.

I think that if GM did it properly they could create an extremely profitable venture. Apple retail stores are some of the most profitable retail stores per square foot in the world because they control the experience.

I know, I know it's a big difference in the type of business. However, I'm sure that controlling the process of how your customers view and interact with your products could result in a lot more sales with a lot less hate for car salesmen.
I'm not saying it'd be easy but it's an interesting thought, not that it'd ever happen.

I will agree with that point! However........ lol

I would like to see someone come up with a cost ratio of what it would take
to develop, build, and sale cars including everthing from parts to employee's VS the way it is now....
I wonder if a GM bean counter has done it??? my guess would be yes....

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by shnomac77

I will agree with that point! However........ lol

I would like to see someone come up with a cost ratio of what it would take
to develop, build, and sale cars including everthing from parts to employee's VS the way it is now....
I wonder if a GM bean counter has done it??? my guess would be yes....

Definitely something that would be interesting to see. I'd assume that the difference between invoice and MSRP would be used to cover the cost of running the dealership and paying the employees, so I'd guess there'd have to be a certain sales amount required.

[2SSJIM]

Well! I'll have to say that I haven't had a bad experience with my dealer yet! I've been treated with respect and and every time I stop by to get info on my order, I walk away feeling as if my butt has been kissed royally even if I didn't get the answer I was hoping for! My dealer (Power Cherolet) has not charged over MSRP and has told me that that would not do so in the future!

wow! A good post about a dealer!

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by 2SSJIM

Well! I'll have to say that I haven't had a bad experience with my dealer yet! I've been treated with respect and and every time I stop by to get info on my order, I walk away feeling as if my butt has been kissed royally even if I didn't get the answer I was hoping for! My dealer (Power Cherolet) has not charged over MSRP and has told me that that would not do so in the future!

wow! A good post about a dealer!

Yep. The idea behind company controlled dealerships would result in this same experience across the board. Right now it's kind of hit or miss.

[MsRose]

I am waiting until next year so I will not face too much of the over MSRP crowd but I do agree that SOME (not all) dealers are a pain to deal with and it is not just Chevy. I walked from a new Mustang GT because they did not want to honor the family plan pricing on it (yes I am eligible). A few days later they called back to tell me that they had a change of heart but it was too late. Plus some treat women horribly, especially when it comes to cars that many guys see as part of their "domain".

I am happy to report that the one Chevy dealer I went to yesterday did not treat me like crap even though I admitted to not being in the market right now and still offered for me to come back to do a test drive this coming week.

[DkknightX]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

You guys need to realize that dealerships account for many jobs as well.

Our unemployment rate is already high as it is. Getting rid of all the dealers would only make things worse.

Perhaps, but it would make the country and the business a hell of a lot more honest. It is like hiring street trash doing card trick scams on every corner of New York City and then pay them to sell you a car. LOL!

[quickdraw]

So because some independent businessmen (car dealers) decide that they can get a higher price for a limited supply product, they should have their businesses taken from them?

Because of these same businessmen, GM should scrap the entire network of dealers that they have used for the past 100 years?

Then GM a company that is near bankruptcy should go out and spend billions of dollars to buy property and build new receiving centers for internet sold cars, and I guess service centers because the existing dealers will be out of business.

Oh yeah, they will also need to fight multiple lawsuits in all 50 states to amend the existing state laws and break contracts with dealers.

And GM should do this because for the next 2-6 months some dealers/stealers can convince some over anxious or uninformed buyers to pay over MSRP for a car that they will be begging people to buy a year from now after they have 10 of them sitting on their lots.

How is the view from the cheap seats. Are any of you guys business owners? Have you ever been responsible for making decisions to keep a business alive year after year on meet a payroll?

The solution is either just say no, as I did with the GT500 or wait 6-12 months. If you have bad feeling about a dealer, don't go back. There will always be plenty of good hard working honest businesses willing to give you good service at a fair price.

[espo19047]

Originally Posted by DkknightX

But legally, are their laws against selling these cars too high over MSRP?

The best way to stop this is to not pay. As long as people pay dealers will ask. Simple supply and demand. Some people who bought their car for msrp may put their car on Ebay and get more then what they paid.
When PS3 and WII came out people overpaid. I bought the WII for my kids at regular price but the only way to get it was to buy $90 worth of extras. When your local team makes the playoffs people sell their tickets because people are ready to pay big money for them.
My dealersip charges msrp for the Camaro. We did get $25000 over on 5 ZR-1s. People called from all over the USA offering money for them so we took it.
I don't know if you will ever see the day where you can buy direct from GM.

Originally Posted by DkknightX

It is like hiring street trash doing card trick scams on every corner of New York City and then pay them to sell you a car. LOL!

I am a professional. So I have to disagree with your post. Show a little respect and grow up. The salesman you speak of are not on this site. The salesman you would like to deal with are. I just grow a little tired of the lack of respect and generalizations that go on here...
Nobody is buying direct from Toyota so I need to be there to let them know why the Malibu is better then the Camry. Here is another hint when the Malibu came out people paid sticker now there are rebates and they go at invoice and it is a great car. They do want to sell over 100K Camaros a year right?

[flobeelicious]

for anybody in the maryland area, bob bell chevrolet in bel air is another to avoid.

walked in yesterday, after listening to the salesman complain for 5 minutes about how the production was limited, and people kept coming in asking to see one, he broke out a window sticker, and laid out the price to play.

they're asking 3000 above sticker for every ls/lt, and 5000+ for every ss. if you order, they're refusing to place order unless you agree to pay that much above sticker, as well.

i remember gm threatened to cut the supply to dealers that jacked up the price on the kappa twins when they were released. would be a great thing if they did that with the camaros as well.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by quickdraw

So because some independent businessmen (car dealers) decide that they can get a higher price for a limited supply product, they should have their businesses taken from them?

Because of these same businessmen, GM should scrap the entire network of dealers that they have used for the past 100 years?

Then GM a company that is near bankruptcy should go out and spend billions of dollars to buy property and build new receiving centers for internet sold cars, and I guess service centers because the existing dealers will be out of business.

Oh yeah, they will also need to fight multiple lawsuits in all 50 states to amend the existing state laws and break contracts with dealers.

And GM should do this because for the next 2-6 months some dealers/stealers can convince some over anxious or uninformed buyers to pay over MSRP for a car that they will be begging people to buy a year from now after they have 10 of them sitting on their lots.

How is the view from the cheap seats. Are any of you guys business owners? Have you ever been responsible for making decisions to keep a business alive year after year on meet a payroll?

The solution is either just say no, as I did with the GT500 or wait 6-12 months. If you have bad feeling about a dealer, don't go back. There will always be plenty of good hard working honest businesses willing to give you good service at a fair price.

Citing the fact they've been using this method for the past 100 years only shows how archaic it is. Do you think music and media companies should continue trying to avoid the Internet?

No, it's not the problem that some dealers mark it up at the beginning. It's the whole damn experience. It's awful. The system in place currently is terrible and really needs to be completely revamped.

I mean, honestly, don't you think the dealers had something to do with GM failing? When you have to go into somewhere to GIVE A COMPANY MONEY and you feel like you've got to be on guard the whole time you've got a problem.

I'm not saying every single dealer is bad, but I'm saying the whole system is setup wrong that allows the bad dealers to continue doing whatever they please.

I know it's never going to happen but it is an interesting thought. Think of how amazing it would be to walk into a dealership and buy or order the car you want without spending a week trying to haggle and making sure you're not getting shafted. Being able to order ANY car and get it in a timely manner, none of this useless allocation stuff that just results in people who want to order being turned away. Like I said, when you want to give a company your money and they're saying "Well, we have no idea when we're going to build it because it's not within the dealer's allocation! We'll sure teach you for going with a dealer who sold all the cars we want to give him!" I don't know of any other business that would turn away sold orders in this manner.

Your final point is fine for people who really want a specific car but it sure as hell doesn't help people who aren't brand loyal or looking for a specific car. My girlfriend was treated poorly at a Chevy dealership and she had no interest in going back to ANY Chevy dealership. She would be happier to go get a Honda Civic and be done with it.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by shnomac77

Your never going to win any debates around here with opinions....... Im just saying

Who said I'm trying to "win" anything? What's wrong with contributing ideas and proposing solutions? Why is everything with some people a "debate"?