I ABSOLUTELY HATE skip shift

[fireresq157]

at SLP they list the Skip Shift eliminator as being the same for "Skip-Shift Eliminator, 2010 Camaro/1994-02 Camaro/Firebird/1997-09 Corvette/2004-06 GTO 6-Speed". So if you have an old one in one of the above mentioned cars it should work.

[catmaster1]

Just use $25 dollars of the $1300(i think) you saved from the gas tax and buy the eliminator. It will take you 15 min or so to put in.

-this is the first post i have seen about negative remarks on the skip shift. anyone else having this problem?

[CamaroDan]

I honestly had no idea about skip shift untill this post. I had a 97 camaro v6
about 215hp at the time all i know is when I was slowing down to take a turn I was able to slam that bitch into 2nd and floor it without any problems. I beat the ever living shit out of that car and it was able to handle the abuse.Now when I get the auto 2ss I will be a little more gentle then i was when i was in my 20's.Ive still thought about getting the stick but now that it has this skip shift ive made my choice. for sure auto.: happyanim:

[zzz28zzz]

Originally Posted by lakestar

I see several comments like this, but most of us get stuck in traffic behind soccer mom's or grandma's once in a while. So you are sitting there going no where fast and there is no point in winding out the engine, but you forget about skip shift because you normally do drive aggressively enough to avoid it. So you finally start to move and you try to put it into 2nd and it blocks you hard and you go WTF? It's so incredibly annoying. But it does help avoid the gas guzzler tax.

This post is really what I was talkig about. It happens at the absolute wrong times too!!!

My DIC is telling me I am averaging less than 15 MPG, which tells me I am not driving like...how did Number 3 put it...an PROFESSIONAL FUEL ECONOMY MISER???!!!

I just really wanted something to complain about....cause it is real hard not to love everything about this car.

[DVLDAWG]

Originally Posted by CamaroDan

I honestly had no idea about skip shift untill this post. I had a 97 camaro v6
about 215hp at the time all i know is when I was slowing down to take a turn I was able to slam that bitch into 2nd and floor it without any problems. I beat the ever living shit out of that car and it was able to handle the abuse.Now when I get the auto 2ss I will be a little more gentle then i was when i was in my 20's.Ive still thought about getting the stick but now that it has this skip shift ive made my choice. for sure auto.: happyanim:

2 Things -

1. The skipshift is only on the V8's so it wouldnt have been on your V6 anyways. Its there to help us avoid paying the Gas Guzzler Tax on the bigger engines.

2. Slowing down to take a turn you will be able to "slam that bitch into 2nd and floor it" as you put it regardless of whether or not you have the skipshift since it only engages in a very specific set of circumstances when accelerating in first gear with low RPMs.

[GTengineer]

Originally Posted by valleybacker

Not sure on the camaro tranny, but on the vettes you don't have to buy anything, just pull the plug on it.

Pretty sure that's only on the new C6 generation. I had to do the skip shift on my C5 Z06. I agree it is the most freaking annoying thing ever invented but easily fixed with the skip shift eliminator. And no "driving hard" doesn't solve squat when you are stuck in traffic.

[NightmareSS]

ok i dont mean to thread jack...but if there a feature similar to this to avoid accidently slammin your car into first when quickly shifting from 2nd to 3rd? sry never owned a manual car or drove one where i was trying to shift quickly

[Nexus6]

Originally Posted by zzz28zzz

I just really wanted something to complain about....cause it is real hard not to love everything about this car.

[Mark25]

It's not that bad...on my Vette I simply act like I'm going into fourth and then quickly slap it into second...you really won't lose that much time...and if you're shifting above 2000 rpms it will allow you to go into second right away...not a big deal.

[TxBandit911]

Wow.......This is madness.


Dont forget guys, if you are planning on getting your camaro tuned, just have the tuner turn it off, nothing to buy at that point.

[Matt'sSS]

After driving my C5 vette for 5 years, I've probably only been disappointed by skip shift once. As long as you know how it works, and expect (anticipate) it, you will -=NEVER=- have problems with it! IMHO, the only times it causes problems is when either the driver doesn't know about it, or doesn't drive properly anticipating it.

The ONLY thing it does is lock you out of 2nd when you are accelerating very slowly in 1st gear (or maintaining speed in 1st). I don't know about you guys, but I'm not normally out stalking "soccer mom's" in 1st gear with little/no acceleration. The only time you would be going that slow is in residential or school zones, and you shouldn't be concerned with acceleration in those places anyhow! For everywhere else, if you're driving that slow you're not in a hurry, and it is very seamless to go from 1st to 3rd (I do so frequently without skip shift anyway).

If by some "butterfly flaps it's wings" chain of events causing whatever situation you're in going slow in first, wanting to go fast in 2nd, then ACCELERATE BEFORE YOU SHIFT. OMG problem solved...

You'll actually go faster using the rest of first gear before switching into 2nd anyhow... I could go on, but hopefully it's not necessary. Learn to drive and appreciate your car and it will reward you with spectacular performance in ANY situation, so long as you know what to do with it.

When I went for a ride with Mr "Number 3" in Fbodfather's SS, he actually tried to show us what the skip shift was like in the SS AND HAD DIFFICULTY GETTING IT TO ENGAGE! It's not like this thing is overly obtrusive...

Lets put this in perspective anyway...

There were approximately what, 15,000 cars pre-ordered? We'll figure 1/2 of those were SS's (I'm guessing more). So 7,500 that didn't have to pay an estimated $1,300 guzzler tax partially due to this little trickery (and a lot to do with fantastic engineering from GM!).

That's $9,750,000.00 GM has saved it's customers in TAX, and that's before the car was even available to buy off the showroom floor from the dealership!

I for one would like to say THANK YOU to GM for keeping these cars affordable, in purchase price, in mileage, in maintenance, and especially in taxes!

As far as I am aware, the only other car with this much power that does NOT have the guzzler tax is the Corvette! The G8 GXP does, Charger (300) & Challenger SRT-8's do. I'm pretty sure the AMG C63 does, the M3 might not, not sure on that one though.

[pruettfan]

This topic has been around in the Corvette circles for a very long time. As stated in many posts there are two simple solutions Cags eliminator or drive more aggressively. If you hate skip shift don't blame GM blame the EPA and congress. GM is just trying to give us the most performance at the lowest cost.

[keepontrukkin]

Originally Posted by Vash

Welcome to Amerika.

[Matt'sSS]

Double clutching... dear god...

Yes, as people have explained it is when you are in gear -> clutch in -> neutral (no gear) -> clutch out -> clutch in -> new gear -> clutch out.

They should call it quadruple clutching now days, that's how redundant and unnecessary it is with any (properly functioning) car built in the past 30-40 years. Synchronizers speed up the next gear for you now. The only reason you would need to double clutch now is if you are having transmission problems & a syncro is destroyed.

Shortly after the original fast & furious came out I actually had an friend/acquaintance of mine tell me that they lost a street race because he "wasn't double clutching". It took every ounce of self control not to burst into uncontrollable laughter, falling to the ground before I died laughing, or tell him he's lucky he didn't blow the welds on his intake manifold & his floor pans are still in place...

Don't get me wrong, that was the first movie I saw that relayed the excitement of being young, into cars, and racing those days with cars I could relate to at the time. But g'dam who the eff was the idiot they hired as a technical adviser?!?!!

Seriously? Blow the welds on the intake manifold??? Because the silicone couplers on the intercooler piping would be stronger than the intake? And obviously driving over 130 would cause vibrations soo bad that it would snap the bolts on floor pans??

Actually... that's what you get for buying the $400 18" wheel & tire combo with tires you've never heard of that are made by some company that sounds like it should be a noodle soup or soy sauce brand shipped from the shady never heard of them tire shop advertising on the next to last page of Super Street (I should know, I made the same mistake one time ). I've never had so much wheel vibration in my life & America's Tire couldn't even balance it out of them they were literally out of round! So I might buy that one after all... Trying... Trying... nope.


Anyway, back to where we started...


DOUBLE CLUTCHING is actually SLOWER than just shifting normally. If anything, it's the "granny shifting".

If you're trying to up your stock in driver ability, bragging rights, and cool, then being able to power shift with NO clutch, THAT's impressive. Note, DO NOT EVER, EVER, EEEVVVVVEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRR try to do this unless you don't care if you destroy your transmission. You WILL mess it up!

There are only 2 cars I've ever successfully seen it done in, and both were VERY worn cars, an early 90's 240 and CRX, both with 150-200k miles on them, and transmissions so sloppy you could be shifting to 2nd and find yourself in 5th somehow. The 240 was probably only good for 150 hp, and the CRX had the great honor of being the least powerful car ever dynoed in our city at a pathetic 84 hp (although it's driver had CONSIDERABLE talent and won several local autocrosses). Even in them, when the owners let me try it, I grinded some. Unless you're Michael Schumacher, have an old car destined for the junkyard, or already plan on pulling out your tranny to rebuild it, don't even think about it.

There is also normal "power shifting" where your right foot stays on the floor and you shift normally. You would only be doing this full throttle, max rpm, in a max acceleration run, so this causes your motor to bounce off the rev limiter (and DO NOT do this if your car somehow does not have one!) while the clutch is in. While it's much safer for your tranny than trying the no clutch power shifting, it is still NOT AT ALL SAFE for the health of the car. You probably won't completely destroy anything doing it once after you've had the car for a while, HOWEVER.... bouncing off the rev limiter is not good, it will over time mess up your engine, and reengaging the clutch in the next gear at full power & that much RPM difference will quickly eat up your clutch (smell great don't they! ).

EVEN JUST DOING THIS ONCE can mess up your car, most commonly you will just glaze the clutch, some people have had catastrophic failure, however not as common.

This is getting long, so I'll make my next point in the next post...