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DRKS1D3 · 08-24-2012, 10:06 AM

I desperately want to see a "dyno shootout" with the filters tested here. I want this debate put to rest once and for all!

IndeedSS1 · 08-24-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DRKS1D3

I desperately want to see a "dyno shootout" with the filters tested here. I want this debate put to rest once and for all!

If I can get the dyno scheduled for the other two items I want to check I'll add a S&B to stock filter comparison.

joeybsyc · 10-23-2012, 04:05 PM

So what exactly IS this "green" filter? Does it have a brand name and where is the best place to buy one?

Jason@JacFab · 10-23-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by joeybsyc

So what exactly IS this "green" filter? Does it have a brand name and where is the best place to buy one?

http://www.greenfilterusa.com/

mel1 · 12-06-2012, 09:55 AM

I hate to bring this ancient thread back to life, but I swapped my oem filter out for the k&n drop in....and it made a difference. Maybe because the stock filter was filthy and the new one provided much better air flow. I'm glad to see some results, because I can somewhat feed my mod craving

Thought I would share

Jason@JacFab · 12-06-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mel1

I hate to bring this ancient thread back to life, but I swapped my oem filter out for the k&n drop in....and it made a difference. Maybe because the stock filter was filthy and the new one provided much better air flow. I'm glad to see some results, because I can somewhat feed my mod craving

Thought I would share

Thanks for sharing!

Here's some more accurate info for those still paying attention...

While I don't have all of the filters any more to repeat this test through the head/intake/tb, I did compare the stock filter vs an S&B filter @ .500" lift on cyl#3 through the top end assy.

The S&B filter flowed roughly 1% better through the intake system/tb/intake/head @ .500" lift... (appx 3 CFM more)...

If we were to use the math that Vararam has on their flow test page here: http://vararam.com/camaro-vs-comp.html

+3 CFM * .2 = .6hp/cyl gain * 8 cyl = a 4.8 HP gain on a stock LS3...

IF their math is valid... It does make sense, and an airflow gain through the entire system can be seen just from a simple filter change... Even though it still hasn't been dyno proven that I know of (aside from he-said-she-said), this leads me to believe that a gain is definitely possible.

JANNETTYRACING · 12-06-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RacnJsn95

Here is one such post by Ted claiming a K&N drop in had ZERO effect on hp and torque. jannetty racing question thread post

Ted also mentions that it's not the filter that's the restriction, it's the box itself. I have no reason to dispute Ted's claim, but if you note the spreadsheet picture from the first post, changing filters, or removing the filter all together DOES allow the stock box to flow more. It's not as big of a restriction as people think.

Back before I started playing with these filters on the flow bench I would have agreed, but everytime I put the S&B filter on the bench, it flows extremely well despite it's looks.

I had tested Stock air box with stock filter against K&N against No filter and as I recall, there was no more than 1 RWHP measurable difference.

Engines do not flow like Flow benches, there are both Pluses and sound waves involved that affect HP.

Great Job on the Testing

Ted.

Jason@JacFab · 12-06-2012, 04:33 PM

With the exception of the filter swap in a stock air box, interestingly enough, from given HP numbers shown in your intake testing, and numbers I've come up with for my intake testing, the math works out to show the same HP gains as shown on a dyno, regardless of how an engine flows vs a flow bench. Probably just a coincidence...

litle88 · 12-06-2012, 04:46 PM

Hey Jason I moonlight security for a strip mall here in Shitcago (yes it's that bad) and I just saw this as I was reading the thread revival lol. It's a K&N vs Fram lol on this contraption lol. Anywho I saw it and started laughing lol.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...6170A4392A.mp4

Smirnoff · 12-06-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by litle88

Hey Jason I moonlight security for a strip mall here in Shitcago (yes it's that bad) and I just saw this as I was reading the thread revival lol. It's a K&N vs Fram lol on this contraption lol. Anywho I saw it and started laughing lol.

LOL - mall or club........

litle88 · 12-06-2012, 08:24 PM

I don't do the clubs no more! Cops n clubs don't mesh to good anymore. I pass on those gigs now lol. I let the young bucks handle that. Lol it was in an Oreilley's auto parts store.

Jason@JacFab · 12-06-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by litle88

Hey Jason I moonlight security for a strip mall here in Shitcago (yes it's that bad) and I just saw this as I was reading the thread revival lol. It's a K&N vs Fram lol on this contraption lol. Anywho I saw it and started laughing lol.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...6170A4392A.mp4

Funny, but I think there must be something wrong with that one, or fram really stepped up their game haha... I've seen one here in a couple parts stores, and the paper filter usually only pushes the ball about half way up the tube...

K&N charges $99 for that promotional "air flow demonstrator", maybe they should make sure that it works before they send it out the door... Here's how it's "supposed" to work, and even with a hot chick operating it:

http://www.knfilters.com/video/KN_Airflow_Dem.htm

litle88 · 12-06-2012, 10:18 PM

Lmao! That's too funny then cause it works the same as Fram.

axis · 12-06-2012, 10:42 PM

The guy at the strip mall forgot to step on the secret pedal.

08-24-2012, 10:06 AM	#57
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10-23-2012, 04:05 PM	#59
joeybsyc Drives: 2010 Aqua Blue Metallic 2SS Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: PA Posts: 2,010	So what exactly IS this "green" filter? Does it have a brand name and where is the best place to buy one? __________________

12-06-2012, 09:55 AM	#61
mel1 Yeah buddy Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Inferno Orange Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Raleigh Posts: 196	I hate to bring this ancient thread back to life, but I swapped my oem filter out for the k&n drop in....and it made a difference. Maybe because the stock filter was filthy and the new one provided much better air flow. I'm glad to see some results, because I can somewhat feed my mod craving Thought I would share __________________ 2010 SS IOM L99,Heritage grille,Rear Bowtie Delete

12-06-2012, 04:46 PM	#65
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	Hey Jason I moonlight security for a strip mall here in Shitcago (yes it's that bad) and I just saw this as I was reading the thread revival lol. It's a K&N vs Fram lol on this contraption lol. Anywho I saw it and started laughing lol. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...6170A4392A.mp4 __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

12-06-2012, 08:24 PM	#67
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	I don't do the clubs no more! Cops n clubs don't mesh to good anymore. I pass on those gigs now lol. I let the young bucks handle that. Lol it was in an Oreilley's auto parts store. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

12-06-2012, 04:33 PM	#64
Jason@JacFab Drives: 2016 1LT RS Camaro; 72 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Point, OR Posts: 5,685	With the exception of the filter swap in a stock air box, interestingly enough, from given HP numbers shown in your intake testing, and numbers I've come up with for my intake testing, the math works out to show the same HP gains as shown on a dyno, regardless of how an engine flows vs a flow bench. Probably just a coincidence...

12-06-2012, 10:18 PM	#69
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	Lmao! That's too funny then cause it works the same as Fram. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

12-06-2012, 10:42 PM	#70
axis Search Ninja Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Ark Posts: 7,183	The guy at the strip mall forgot to step on the secret pedal. __________________ 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Halltech CF 102 fed GPI modded intake manifold Bo (knows) White ported TB Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT Pfadted (springs/sways) Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI I once parallel parked a train.