Header idea?

[mattsfirstSS]

Ok so im reading this as someone in the market for LT headers...Have we all agreed that TSP is the way to go? American made, good quality, and cheaper than kooks/sw/arh?

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by RacnJsn95

Maybe... Kooks should just buy a batch of OBX headers, mark them up and resell them since it's supposedly already their design... There is your economy Kooks header right there.

Here's an interesting bit of info... Some time last year I received an email from a Chinese exhaust manufacturer that said they had Camaro headers... Just for kicks I told them to send me some pictures and pricing... They appeared to be a Kooks ripoff, looked nice in the pictures, but you never really know what kind of quality they are until you get them in your hands... My direct pricing on said headers? $199 a set. I thought to myself, wow, that's cheap, but would not commit to buying any until I saw the quality and tried a set on a car for fit... They agreed to ship me a set, but since it was only one set air freight was going to be about $500 (vs ~500 by sea for 10+ sets or $50/set shipping) so I passed trying them out, and figured if I really wanted headers I would just buy some from TSP.

Here's another... For the amount of money I have invested so far into creating my own brand CAI, I could have bought about 20 of any of the top dollar brands... There's a reason it costs more money to buy an American product, it's called R&D.

I do agree RacnJsn95, that $199 would throw red flags Bc nobody has produced anything that cheap.
I am glad you brought up Texas Speed headers Bc for those torn on what header to buy, TSP is a great alternative to OBX and there only about 100 bucks more. It also helps to support the (i buy US only cause) if that's your choice.

As far as kooks buying all the OBX headers. That would be very detrimental to Kooks Bc now they would be selling the so called crap that they hate. So that's why I said make the exact replica of their own header. Design cost are already spent Bc the design is already there. Quality of steel could be monitored so that the comparison of flanges would be put to rest. They would just have lower labor costs to pass on to a consumer that might otherwise buy OBX.
This is what most people don't like the thought of. They feel its giving a job to another country and hurting our economy. The point is you wouldn't be losing ANY jobs for this proposal. You wouldn't gain any either, but you would gain market share in the header economy.
All things made in China are not at the expense of child labor. That's a stereo type. It would be like Chinese calling all Americans terrorist Bc look how they keep shooting their own schools up! Would that be accurate? Of course not. It's absurd! But yet it is happening alot. You find find good and bad in every place.
I just think when people see this debate, they opinionate with their blinders on. STAINLESS WORKS YES THE US BRAND COMPANY DOES INDEED OUTSOURCE ITS LABOR TO CREATE A LOWER COST( yet good quality) HEADER and named it STAINLESS POWER! Yet on the forums NOBODY bad mouths them. It's hypocracy!! But also it's people following the lead of the OBX BASHERS!
I'm just trying to open EYES!

[Jason@JacFab]

No RETAILER sells headers that cheap... But I would venture to guess that that is appx what the cost the Kooks look-a-like Chinese headers cost direct before anyone (OBX) marks them up to their selling price.

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by RacnJsn95

No RETAILER sells headers that cheap... But I would venture to guess that that is appx what the cost the Kooks look-a-like Chinese headers cost direct before anyone (OBX) marks them up to their selling price.

Haha perhaps. Who knows? What I do know is that if you take a company like Texas Speed And Performance, and they can build a very good looking, and great performing
1 7/8 header and sell it for $469 and make a profit!! Then that tells me that the true cost of building this header for this car is very low. It also shows that some company's are gouging consumers and want to sugar coat it by justifying it against other mods such as CAI's and Cat back exhausts are just as high in comparison. In which they ARE! The problem is that they are all gouging to an extent!! It's just a question of how much. Does that mean that their not good quality? NO they still are great products. They are just being overhyped Bc they know that guys wanna go fast and have big egos and will pay more if they can make them believe that their products are superior!! And guys want to be dominant on the street and on the track!! It's partly why we bought the car! So most guys play right into their hands!

[2010 4 DW]

Originally Posted by mattsfirstSS

Ok so im reading this as someone in the market for LT headers...Have we all agreed that TSP is the way to go? American made, good quality, and cheaper than kooks/sw/arh?

TSP is made overseas also and that is why they are so inexpensive.

[camaro actual]

Originally Posted by 2010 4 DW

TSP is made overseas also and that is why they are so inexpensive.

lol no... lubbock texas

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by 2010 4 DW

TSP is made overseas also and that is why they are so inexpensive.

I stand corrected. And yes they are also made overseas but it's basically the same premise or idea that I had for kooks. I spoke to the guy at Texas Speed and he said that they are very open and upfront about where and how their headers are made and they have found a group of people they trust and that are producing great quality without all the negative feedback.
So I've heard also that JBA is made overseas. They seem to put out a good quality header as well.

Come on Kooks, get with the program and let's pull this market tighter!

[BlaqWhole]

Question I have...how do any of us know that these so called rip-off companies didn't straight up purchase the design from Kooks? Or, how do we know that Kooks didn't offer to sell the design to OBX? Or maybe Kooks might even own part of OBX. Look at Professional Products and Edelbrock. Has anyone ever considered this or did one person start saying "rip-off" to which all the sheep followed along...??

[litle88]

What's good from professional products?

It's all garbage!

[MarylandSpeed]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Question I have...how do any of us know that these so called rip-off companies didn't straight up purchase the design from Kooks? Or, how do we know that Kooks didn't offer to sell the design to OBX? Or maybe Kooks might even own part of OBX. Look at Professional Products and Edelbrock. Has anyone ever considered this or did one person start saying "rip-off" to which all the sheep followed along...??

Now you are just throwing sh*t at the wall to see what sticks......

[litle88]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

Now you are just throwing sh*t at the wall to see what sticks......

Lol pretty much, typical. Are you surprised? Not worth it.

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

Now you are just throwing sh*t at the wall to see what sticks......

[2010 4 DW]

Originally Posted by Camarojt

I stand corrected. And yes they are also made overseas but it's basically the same premise or idea that I had for kooks. I spoke to the guy at Texas Speed and he said that they are very open and upfront about where and how their headers are made and they have found a group of people they trust and that are producing great quality without all the negative feedback.
So I've heard also that JBA is made overseas. They seem to put out a good quality header as well.

Come on Kooks, get with the program and let's pull this market tighter!

TSP's are a nice header!

I have JBA's and they are made in North America - Mexico. I figured that Mexico must be ok for parts to be made as our 6 speed transmission were made in Mexico and none of us complain about that. I called and spoke with the JBA rep and they said they have their own manufacturing facility that they manufacture and Ceramic coat all their header brands. I did not know that JBA is owned by the same company that owns Doug's Headers.

http://www.pertronix.com/

[Beer Thirty]

I try to buy everything that is made in America. The most important thing I buy made in America is my beer.