NY Times: G.M. Says Camaro Transmission Problem Is Fixed

[fastball]

Originally Posted by Number 3

First, GM filed for Chapter 11 for the same reason a good chunk of America has, the global economy and financial meltdow. GM had a plan that was well underway that did about everything the bankruptcy did. Level set wages, eliminate the health care burden, reduced dealers and brands. But you probably weren't paying attention 2 years ago. And the difference between GM and Ford? They lined up financing outside of bankruptcy. They've borrowed dollar for dollar with GM.

And Mr. Lutz being reminded in the press that there is a product plan in place and lets stick to it isn't a stunt.

Lots behind the scenes you don't get to know about.

The economy hastened ch. 11, it did not directly cause it.....

True GM had those plans, but they were moving too slow, that even without the economic downturn they would have inevitably had to file ch. 11.

Honestly those were things GM should have been working on 20 years ago, not two.

But that's a whole new ball of wax there.

[NitroSpeed]

REPOST!!!!!!!!!! :(

["prima"Donna]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

sllllllllloooooowwwww down.

Unless you were in the meeting about the G8, don't assume you know the whole story.

You mentioned that YOU own GM -- well -- YOU -- (The Government) is basically responsible for why the Caprice is not probably going to be a reality.

CAFE standards. 35mpg by 2016........

Civic does not get 35mpg
Corolla does not get 35mpg
Aveo does not get 35 mpg

(Cobalt XFE gets OVER 35mpg...)

......so how does the industry hit that number??????

Mebbe Fritz isn't a ditz.

+1

What Scott said!!!!...

[SummoneR]

So how did the NY Times find out before us?

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by 69-er

OK, this isn't making sense to me. If it was fixed, what was the fix? Since I haven't tried the launch control, I don't know if mine will break. To say it's "fixed" doesn't mean a damn to the owners of earlier cars. GM can't say those cars are "fixed"

I want to know if my car is affected, plain and simple. I don't understand why i have to use launch control and have it fail while GM knows what the problem is and has a fix. Doesn't seem right.

[UCF w00t]

Originally Posted by Supermans

I want to know if my car is affected, plain and simple. I don't understand why i have to use launch control and have it fail while GM knows what the problem is and has a fix. Doesn't seem right.

They have a fix (probably just replace the output shaft or something) but don't yet know which ones are affected. Once they know they will be letting us know (see fbod's post above) and we should be able to take them in and get them fixed without having to blow it up using LC.

[camaro5]

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

They have a fix (probably just replace the output shaft or something) but don't yet know which ones are affected. Once they know they will be letting us know (see fbod's post above) and we should be able to take them in and get them fixed without having to blow it up using LC.

ahh ok, I am using an ipod touch, so I missed Fbod's post above.. Glad to know we will have a vin range known that will need a fixing real soon.. Obviously I have just driven mine from Tampa to Miami and clocked in 500 miles keeping the rpms below 4,000 at all times and never launching.. I will gladly take it to a reputable dealer here in Miami for the fix though if mine is within the range of vins..

[UCF w00t]

Originally Posted by Supermans

ahh ok, I am using an ipod touch, so I missed Fbod's post above.. Glad to know we will have a vin range known that will need a fixing real soon..

So much for being just as good as a computer lol.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

So much for being just as good as a computer lol.

It's a 3 inch screen size..lol.. with very small text.. It is also slow and hard to type fast and the silly thing auto-corrects everything wrong.. But at least I can use it while laying down in bed. I'm just hoping for a straight answer like the rest of us who have manuals already that were built around that time..

[two_wheel_mayhem]

U guys are paranoid. Launch control is just for people that cant feather a clutch. Its not like the trans wasn't designed to take max torque of the engine, its just that there is a problem with a few units. More than likely a heat treating issue.

Put good sticky tires on your cars and you will break all kinds of crap such as half shafts.

Drag racing and IRS do not mix, and your Pirelli tires will go up in smoke at every stop light if it wasn't for electronics.

[JDBeck23]

Originally Posted by two_wheel_mayhem

U guys are paranoid. Launch control is just for people that cant feather a clutch. Its not like the trans wasn't designed to take max torque of the engine, its just that there is a problem with a few units. More than likely a heat treating issue.

Put good sticky tires on your cars and you will break all kinds of crap such as half shafts.

Drag racing and IRS do not mix, and your Pirelli tires will go up in smoke at every stop light if it wasn't for electronics.

I dont understand... so you're saying that people are paranoid because Launch Control is for unskilled drivers? Or are you saying that the tranny isnt the real weak link, that IRS is?

The "paranoia" is based on people exploding their output shafts. While I agree with you, IRS failure is common on drag strips, output shafts failing on bone stock cars are not common. So I think some concern is warranted.

But what does sticky tires and half shafts have to do with tranny tailshafts? The answer is... nothing. Launching using the Launch Control was not the only time the output shafts were failing, there was report one guy broke his output shaft while shifting into 2nd gear. So it really doesnt have anything to do with Launch Control, so much as engine torque in general.

As I stated above, I believe some concern for this issue is warranted and I appreciate what FBODFATHER stated above as well. Im waiting patiently for an official response from GM, so I can go out and confidently flog my new camaro without fear of my output shaft exploding and having to test Onstar and GM's roadside assistance program!

[McGruff]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

Let me ask you a question: Are you one of those people who stand in front of a microwave oven and yell

HURRY UP!!!

??????????

I've said this in other posts and I'm gonna say it again -- WE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WHEN WE GET ALL OF THE FACTS TOGETHER.....

You DO realize that it's been a short time since the problem surfaced, right?

We are working around the clock to get ACCURATE INFORMATION -- and we are NOT going to put BAD information out there.....

So how 'bout calming down and stopping the rhetoric. (that goes for several people....)

VIN lists will be out shortly.


I'm sorry if I come across as a bit irritated -- but people need to understand that the team has been working around the clock with the supplier to find root-cause - develop an action plan to repair -- and to determine the population of vehicles that have this issue.......

Let me repeat:

VIN lists will be out shortly!

(.....and the team moved heaven and earth to do it-- because it's the right thing to do......)

The article said that GM knows what the problem is and is keeping it a secret....so yes, I am questioning if we will be told what cars were affected since that would likely give away the secret.

I'm one of those people that stop the microwave oven 2/3 of the way through to stir my food since I don't expect the oven to cook it perfectly. If we all sit around and expect GM to do everything perfectly then we end up with ambient lighting nothing like the concept when preordering...much like my food won't be cooked evenly.

I find it discomforting that you are supporting the guy who says we shouldn't expect anything from GM except a car with a warranty and if our car transmission fails when driving then whatever.

[jmcbeth]

Originally Posted by McGruff

The article said that GM knows what the problem is and is keeping it a secret....so yes, I am questioning if we will be told what cars were affected since that would likely give away the secret.

If fbod says the list will be published, then it will. You can count on it. Further, he says:

(.....and the team moved heaven and earth to do it-- because it's the right thing to do......)

I hope everyone realizes the significance of this statement. Having worked for large organizations, I can tell you that it can be very, very hard to get permission to release information. "Because it's the right thing to do" speaks volumes about the integrity and passion of the Camaro team.

Whether or not a new production model will experience problems is not a question. What matters is how the manufacturer handles them. This team continues to impress me. In fact, I've never seen a team who handles problems better. My money is on the Camaro team.