Interesting bit on 2014 Camaro Design

[ALLTRBO]

I hate marketing BS. They didn't just "learn" that the lower grille was more efficient or that an extractor hood releases underhood pressure. Unless GM is just full of completely incompetent engineers, they knew it a long time ago. They make it sound like aerodynamics have never been studied before.
They said the same thing about how the Volt's rear corner creases promote flow separation and then made it sound like the kammback effect was a new discovery that is a sole consequence of the Volt's blessed existence. Of course that was known long, long ago, but you don't even have to know that... because any monkey can see that the Prius had those shapes before the Volt did.

If they actually did just discover all that then it's really not something to be bragging about, heh.

Changing the grille textures for better airflow? Yeah, because that aerodynamic effect makes a huge difference in cooling this fiery monster.

C'mon Tom, give your engineers some credit. They aren't that dumb, and neither is everyone else.

[El Rey]

Originally Posted by ALLTRBO

I hate marketing BS. They didn't just "learn" that the lower grille was more efficient or that an extractor hood releases underhood pressure. Unless GM is just full of completely incompetent engineers, they knew it a long time ago. They make it sound like aerodynamics have never been studied before.
They said the same thing about how the Volt's rear corner creases promote flow separation and then made it sound like the kammback effect was a new discovery that is a sole consequence of the Volt's blessed existence. Of course that was known long, long ago, but you don't even have to know that... because any monkey can see that the Prius had those shapes before the Volt did.

If they actually did just discover all that then it's really not something to be bragging about, heh.

Changing the grille textures for better airflow? Yeah, because that aerodynamic effect makes a huge difference in cooling this fiery monster.

C'mon Tom, give your engineers some credit. They aren't that dumb, and neither is everyone else.

Why make the same exact post twice???

[dmginc]

Originally Posted by BlackinBlack

For me the 93 - 97 Gen 4 Camaro is a ton better looking than the later years. Cleaner and when slightly modded so evil looking. The later ones just seemed kind of awkward and not as sleek.

I think the 98-02 Trans Am was much nicer looking then the 93-97. So sometimes a refresh is a good thing!

[revived]

Liked the vid. And after seeing a 14 1le rolling down the highway yesterday I loving the new design makes it look more sporty for sure and wide

[Zig Zag]

Originally Posted by camarocasanova

I swear all the 14 hate is by people with older models mad they don't have a new one so they have to find something to hate on.

At first I dismissed this theory.
I thought who would be that shallow?
After reading some comments that go well beyond an opinion into just being a dick, I think you might have a point.

Bashing or putting something down is a sure sign of insecurity and/or jealousy.

[ALLTRBO]

Originally Posted by El Rey

Why make the same exact post twice???

I'm conducting an experiment. Thanks for noticing.

[TastyBake]

Love the Autoline Detroit podcasts.

The afterhours shows are 1 1/2 long and can put you to sleep but I've learned so much from the industry from listening to the shows.

Back in the day, the frequent updates regarding Saab's struggle to survive were interesting.

The best thing about the show is the guests are in the industry and have detailed knowledge about a subject. Lotta inside scoops too.

[franknbeans]

they talk about making the lower grill larger.. but the top is blocked by the bumper... did they really make it any larger?

[JR 1]

Originally Posted by franknbeans

they talk about making the lower grill larger.. but the top is blocked by the bumper... did they really make it any larger?

That's a good point...

[franknbeans]

Just got done watching the Continental race at Sebring. Stevens Motorsports Z28-R cut the bar away from the lower grill because it was over heating.

[franknbeans]

See here.

[camarocasanova]

See I knew by making my comment the hate would start...It is amazing to me how we are all brothers and sisters with our camaros until the '14 model comes up.

[BlackinBlack]

Originally Posted by Zig Zag

At first I dismissed this theory.
I thought who would be that shallow?
After reading some comments that go well beyond an opinion into just being a dick, I think you might have a point.

Bashing or putting something down is a sure sign of insecurity and/or jealousy.

Or it could be that people hate when something they love changes in a way they do not like.

Showing my age here.... I remember when "New Coke" was released. Marketing, studies, taste tests and a ton of money was spent with the improved version. They expected everyone to love it.... but the backlash was huge. Sure there was people that loved the new version but tons hated it. It was not jealousy or the fear of the new. People had a passion for the original and replacing it was not just updating but altering a classic.

As I said earlier the original Gen 5 was the first car in a long time I personally had a passion for and nothing was going to stop me owning one. To this day I stare at one regardless if it is a V6, V8, 1LE, or ZL1. I see one in a parking lot I look at it. I love the Gen 5 Camaro design. The refresh is my equivalent of "new coke". It is not the same, I don't feel the rush looking at it and for me it is . Sorry if that causes new '14 owners pain but it is my opinion and feelings. "If I have to get used to it" or "it will grow on me" then nope. Not when it was love at first site for the original design and when the ZL1 was released. (BTW I planned on owning my 2010 forever but the ZL1 changed all that real quick.)

[GRAHL]

Originally Posted by JR 1

I may be biased, but I think many years down the road the 2010-13 will be the most collectible. The first iteration of a design is usually the best. Rarely is a warmed over design an improvement. The only instances I can think of is where the orginial design had some glaring flaws that were corrected. The 2010 Camaro certainly had no glaring flaws. It was a masterpiece!

Agree on the masterpiece part, but as far as successful warm-overs don't forget the '69. Took the classic looks of the 67-68 and hammered out some aggressive design elements and the rest is history.

I'm impressed how civil the discussion is on the refresh (for now). Everyone should know it's a matter of preference. It's never just black and white, there's always people in between, and I for one actually like the refresh, a lot, in fact I can't decide which looks better, the '14 1LE or the '13 ZL1. The thing I think is shameful were the idiots who went absolutely f'n ballistic with the new design, to the point of hysteria, and started cursing GM, hating on all the designer, and hoping that the whole company would tank just because of the refresh. And sadly they seemed to dominate the boards for a while. pathetic. you don't have to like it, but that's going too far.