Camaro Z/28 Engineers Get a Grip on Wheel Slip [Video Added]

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Squillo

I'd much rather see Chevy put these tires on the ZL1 and go back to the ring. I'd bet it would blow the Z/28 out of the water.

Jesus, people are still arguing that crap? If the ZL1 gets different tires, the Z/28 should get a cam with more duration.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Zfatuated

Thanks for all your great insights. I was among the very first people in the USA to use the Trofeo and Trofeo R on track. As I've already posted. Fanboy to you, experienced Trofeo user on track in the real-world. Look in the mirror to learn about a fantasy world.

Do some homework during your time away.

Originally Posted by Mikebrinda

Could you please explain to all readers here your particular brand of physics, not to mention driving skill set, that imputes a 3.87 second gain to a tire change, but refuses to simultaneously deduct time for driving in the rain at triple-digits speeds on the very same tires and track? I'd like to learn how that works so as I might also take advantage of it.

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Jesus, people are still arguing that crap? If the ZL1 gets different tires, the Z/28 should get a cam with more duration.

The problem is and always has been; that these as I call them "hit-n-runners" make these hollow assumptions and place them here as fact and never come back after they've been proven wrong.

[Zfatuated]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Jesus, people are still arguing that crap? If the ZL1 gets different tires, the Z/28 should get a cam with more duration.

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

The problem is and always has been; that these as I call them "hit-n-runners" make these hollow assumptions and place them here as fact and never come back after they've been proven wrong.

It's crazy how many nutters and cognitively impaired posters this forum draws? What is it??? Come in, sh*t on everyone and themselves, then hit the rip cord and bail out. I've just lost all patience and have no inclination anymore to be nice or patient. Do your f'ing homework, be respectful, or get your head ripped off. Sheesh...

On a positive note...How about Magnussen in Australia? WOW!

[Mikebrinda]

Originally Posted by Zfatuated

It's crazy how many nutters and cognitively impaired posters this forum draws? What is it??? Come in, sh*t on everyone and themselves, then hit the rip cord and bail out. I've just lost all patience and have no inclination anymore to be nice or patient. Do your f'ing homework, be respectful, or get your head ripped off. Sheesh...

I may join you . . . but I'm not there yet.

I'm all for voicing opinions, speculation, guessing, etc., so long as somebody is not trying to masquerade an opinion as fact. But some who post here have gone through their life to date spitting "I think . . . I believe . . . " at people, and have always found a willing tool to vacuum up their words. It comes as a shock to some that pesky things, such as "facts" are often necessary to carry on a useful conversation. This is especially true when you are advising someone on engineering and other technical matters.

[2cnd chance]

If you think it's bad now you guys should have been here during the "will there be a Z/28, and what should the content be" threads. Those that fought for it got beat on regularly for years. SS, 1LE and ZL1 owners told us we were foolish (or worse) to believe. They said there will never be a 5Gen with a factory 427. It was incredible how ridiculous the comments were from fellow Camaro owners. Self-justification is blinding.

Oh no one ever came back and said, yeah you guys were right...no one.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

If you think it's bad now you guys should have been here during the "will there be a Z/28, and what should the content be" threads. Those that fought for it got beat on regularly for years. SS, 1LE and ZL1 owners told us we were foolish (or worse) to believe. They said there will never be a 5Gen with a factory 427. It was incredible how ridiculous the comments were from fellow Camaro owners. Self-justification is blinding.

Oh no one ever came back and said, yeah you guys were right...no one.

Ok, I did have a slip back then just before the announcement (of the Z/28) and started to have some doubt brought on by all the naysayers...so, yeah, I'm sorry and you guys were...almost right the only thing the 6 OG's were off by was the weight, oh and the price . I only ask for forgiveness

I think ZFat and MBrinda would have been great at fending off the trolls during that time, especially would have loved to have witnessed the discussion between Zfat and ThePill before he got booted.

[LOWDOWN]

We were right... ...and we KNEW we were right...

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

Ok, I did have a slip back then just before the announcement (of the Z/28) and started to have some doubt brought on by all the naysayers...so, yeah, I'm sorry and you guys were...almost right the only thing the 6 OG's were off by was the weight. I only ask for forgiveness

I think Z-Fat and MBrinda would have been great at fending off the trolls during that time, especially would have loved to have witnessed the discussion between Z-fat and ThePill before he got booted.

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

We were right... ...and we KNEW we were right...

Much appreciated!

Yes we are!

[Zfatuated]

Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

I think ZFat and MBrinda would have been great at fending off the trolls during that time, especially would have loved to have witnessed the discussion between Zfat and ThePill before he got booted.

I never did, or would have engaged. Serious car guys and trackers recognized someone trying to...play the part.

Building a fast track car that runs all day, with a track tuned TC and ABS is hard. There are a sh*tload of details to get right. Most folks posting here have obviously never been on a track in their life or they would not post the nonsense that they do.

It'll get better here after the press embargo comes off from the Barber event and then better still after deliveries when the track pictures, videos and stories come out. And the GT3 on-track "kill" stories! Too bad Porsche has been forced to call-back and quarantine all the new 991 GT3's for a variety of maladies, I would have looked forward to a time-trials pitting one against the Z/28. David/Goliath match.

[Zfatuated]

Originally Posted by Mikebrinda

I may join you . . . but I'm not there yet.

I'm all for voicing opinions, speculation, guessing, etc., so long as somebody is not trying to masquerade an opinion as fact. But some who post here have gone through their life to date spitting "I think . . . I believe . . . " at people, and have always found a willing tool to vacuum up their words. It comes as a shock to some that pesky things, such as "facts" are often necessary to carry on a useful conversation. This is especially true when you are advising someone on engineering and other technical matters.

I love it! Good stuff.

Vacuuming Tools! Lol!

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by Zfatuated

I never did, or would have engaged. Serious car guys and trackers recognized someone trying to...play the part.

Building a fast track car that runs all day, with a track tuned TC and ABS is hard. There are a sh*tload of details to get right. Most folks posting here have obviously never been on a track in their life or they would not post the nonsense that they do.

It'll get better here after the press embargo comes off from the Barber event and then better still after deliveries when the track pictures, videos and stories come out. And the GT3 on-track "kill" stories! Too bad Porsche has been forced to call-back and quarantine all the new 991 GT3's for a variety of maladies, I would have looked forward to a time-trials pitting one against the Z/28. David/Goliath match.

Do you think at some point in the near future that could happen. (wink, wink)?

The coming weeks and months will be very exciting and interesting as the new Z/28 history unfolds.

[brt3]

Originally Posted by Zfatuated

...Building a fast track car that runs all day, with a track tuned TC and ABS is hard. There are a sh*tload of details to get right. Most folks posting here have obviously never been on a track in their life or they would not post the nonsense that they do...

I can't +1 this enough. The number of cars that you can push hard all day on a track you know well -- no matter how high the temps -- are incredibly small. Having a car that you can run at the limits without it overheating, burning the brakes, or going into some sort of "limp home" cool-down mode is worth a lot to me. Add in the fact that I'll be taking my Z/28 from showroom to track with zero mods (besides break-in, corner balance, and dialing in some negative camber). In this respect the Z/28 is part of a very elite group. Consider the fact that running costs (even with the factory tires & brakes) will be very reasonable, given that they're sourced through Chevy dealers (not shipped from Stuttgart), and the Z/28 is not only the real deal -- it's a good value to boot. IMHO it's the Right Tool For The Job...

[SamHouseIII]

I can easily imagine 3 seconds gained on that course by the Trofeos alone. They are a 50 treadwear rating and the the rubber is made in the same single vat as Pirelli's race slicks (I know someone in their Motorsport Division).

So that makes me think that GM is sandbagging, in a good way and rightly so at this point, the true potential of this car. The weight loss could be good for .5 second, deeper braking 1-2 seconds, and the aero for another second.

This new Z/28 should easily run with GT3RS's and base Corvettes all day long.

Said by someone??

So if these tires were on the ZL1 would it get 3 sec?

[Zfatuated]

Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

Do you think at some point in the near future that could happen. (wink, wink)?

The coming weeks and months will be very exciting and interesting as the new Z/28 history unfolds.

It will happen if someone actually 1. Gets their 991 GT3 out of quarantine before September 2. Shows up at Reno-Fernley or Thunderhill the same time I'm there! I'm not so fast at Laguna Seca, but I'd give it the ole' college try.

Originally Posted by brt3

I can't +1 this enough. The number of cars that you can push hard all day on a track you know well -- no matter how high the temps -- are incredibly small. Having a car that you can run at the limits without it overheating, burning the brakes, or going into some sort of "limp home" cool-down mode is worth a lot to me. Add in the fact that I'll be taking my Z/28 from showroom to track with zero mods (besides break-in, corner balance, and dialing in some negative camber). In this respect the Z/28 is part of a very elite group. Consider the fact that running costs (even with the factory tires & brakes) will be very reasonable, given that they're sourced through Chevy dealers (not shipped from Stuttgart), and the Z/28 is not only the real deal -- it's a good value to boot. IMHO it's the Right Tool For The Job...

And I plus one your plus one...lol!