2015 Mustang to gain 200-300 pounds?

[1QwikZ28]

Originally Posted by huggercamaro21

They're for real pissed. And it's funny because a lot of them were calling the Camaro a pig (rightfully so). But then BANG! Now (if the rumors are true) the 6th generation Mustang is gonna be the pig and the Camaro is going to be light(er).

How do you know the Camaro will be lighter?

[huggercamaro21]

We know for sure its going to be a much lighter platform (Alpha). So I, and many many others can connect the dots. I would bet money on it being lighter than the 5th gen.

[Bhobbs]

How sweet would it be if the 6th gen Camaro had the weight, power and torque advantage?

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

I think it will have more than 444hp in 2015. Its getting all the internals of the roadrunner engine with better flowing heads, revised intake, and bigger cams. I would be shocked if it had less hp than the roadrunner engine.

I seriously doubt the new intake manifold flows better than a Boss. The intake cams are slightly bigger than boss but the exhaust side is the same. I would have to see head flow data before I would agree that they flow better than Boss heads. It's the charge motion control plates that are going to hurt some peak HP. Those and many other specs of the engine help torque and low- mid range power but are not good for peak HP. I know this because they came in my 3v GT. People would remove them and gain 10RwHP but lose mid range. They are putting them in most likely because the car is getting heavier. Smart move if you ask me but I seriously doubt the peak power will eclipse a BoSs. We will see for sure when specs come out.

Originally Posted by Deki

You could have just stopped at "I have my Terminator"



They were claiming it was faster then the Boss 302 around the track, so unless the track has pot holes at every corner, it should also make more power to offset the weight. I'm gonna guess at least 450hp on the S550.


I've been saying since they said it was going to lose 200 pounds that no way in hell that will happen. I was even more sure when they said wheelbase will stay the same. Unless they threw a ton of lightweight material at it and priced it as much as the new M4/M3, no chance of it being lighter then the S197. If it's gonna be that heavy, I would rather have a small block under the hood, as long as Chevy fixes the visibility and my head hitting the roof over bumps in the Camaro.

They could make the new Mustang faster than a Boss on a road course track with out giving it any extra HP over the old Coyote. The 1LE does it with 426HP and 3850lbs of curb weight. That statement in no way means it will be faster in a straight line or have more power than a Boss or even old GT.
I think the new power numbers will be 390-400TQ and 430-440HP. No more than old BOSS engine though. We will see who is right for sure when Ford nuts up and reveals final specs.

[Jason@JacFab]

I think we can all agree that gaining weight is pretty easy... Shedding the pounds, not so easy.

I fully expect that new Mustang has gained some weight over the current design... How much? Don't know... I think that this 200-300lb gain is very possible, but I'll have to wait to see what a more credible source says.

[huggercamaro21]

I just have a hard time believing that its not true. If it wasn't, don't you think someone from Ford would have commented on this by now?

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by huggercamaro21

I just have a hard time believing that its not true. If it wasn't, don't you think someone from Ford would have commented on this by now?

My guess is either A. It's true or B. They intentionally leaked the rumor so that when the weight ends up at 100-150 lbs over the out going model every one is relieved and doesn't care that it gained over a 100lbs. I read a little on the forum with guys who have pre orders and many are freaking out. Rightfully so.

[huggercamaro21]

Yeah I would be completely pissed too if a car company said they were with in distance of their 200 loss goal, only to find out it gained 300 (I know it's just a rumor so far). That's a huge difference. 500 pounds!

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

How do you know the Camaro will be lighter?

Just by the Camaro being smaller guarantees it! How the heck is the mustang smaller but will most likely way almost the same as the 5th Gen! It's funny because mustang Guy's have been bragging about how our cars have the bigger engine but still only makes basically the same HP as their smaller engine! But now look who's crying now!

[1QwikZ28]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

I seriously doubt the new intake manifold flows better than a Boss. The intake cams are slightly bigger than boss but the exhaust side is the same. I would have to see head flow data before I would agree that they flow better than Boss heads. It's the charge motion control plates that are going to hurt some peak HP. Those and many other specs of the engine help torque and low- mid range power but are not good for peak HP. I know this because they came in my 3v GT. People would remove them and gain 10RwHP but lose mid range. They are putting them in most likely because the car is getting heavier. Smart move if you ask me but I seriously doubt the peak power will eclipse a BoSs. We will see for sure when specs come out.

I thought they were using the the Roadrunner heads with larger valves. Also the cams were bigger on both intake and exhaust sides, no?

[newmoon]

So much focus on weight, you would think we would have learned by now that weight isn't the ultimate factor in performance outlook. I would have thought that the 4200-lb ZL1 had proven that theory a few years back. Look at what happened with the Z/28 75K with a focus on weight savings and the car is still is delivered over 3800 lbs.

Back in the day when performance was solely based on straight line speed weight savings could happen (example fox body mustangs), now there are much more demand and expectations on comfort and all around performance thus driving the weight up.

Bottom line whether the new GT gains a few pounds or not you can be certain it will perform very well.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro

They never said the GT would be 200 lbs lighter. They just said the new Mustang would weigh as much as 200 lbs less. I.E. the Eco boost option probably does weigh less. That's marketing for you, spin the info however you want.

This^ Marketing can spin just about anything any way they want. They do it in sports all the time, they will mention a team or player that has really excelled at something but cut the dates off to make that stat work for what they want to say.

While it is sad if mustang GT gains 2-300 pounds it is what is.

[KMPrenger]

Mustang6G posted up a new link.

http://www.mustang6g.com/?p=1860

Now Road & Track is claiming 50 - 250 lbs gained. According to them, Base V6/Ecoboost will gain 50 - 70 lbs. A bast GT will gain 170, and a fully optioned premium GT will gain 250.

IF....IF that is true...welcome to the fat club boys. lol.

According to the Ford website: (http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/spe...ions/view-all/ ) at GT manual weighs just aover 3,700 lbs. So that means the new GT will be right around, or maybe just below 3,900 lbs, while a premium would be well over 3,900 lbs.

Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

How do you know the Camaro will be lighter?

If its going on Alpha it will be lighter. How much? Who knows, (I'd guess 200 lbs give or take) but unless they decide to put the car on an even longer Alpha wheelbase than the current 5th gen, it will certainly be lighter than the new Mustang if the information above is true.

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

How sweet would it be if the 6th gen Camaro had the weight, power and torque advantage?

Seems to me, that the 6th gen being lighter and having more torque is a real possibility. Not sure about horsepower yet though.

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

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They could make the new Mustang faster than a Boss on a road course track with out giving it any extra HP over the old Coyote. The 1LE does it with 426HP and 3850lbs of curb weight. That statement in no way means it will be faster in a straight line or have more power than a Boss or even old GT.
I think the new power numbers will be 390-400TQ and 430-440HP. No more than old BOSS engine though. We will see who is right for sure when Ford nuts up and reveals final specs.

I want to join the Mustang6G website just to try and explain this very simple fact to those guys. Look at the "heavy" "pig" 1LE, which already beats the BOSS. While it sucks that the Mustang may gain weight, that doesn't mean its not going to be a great drivers car. I still believe that it will. But now we may get to call it the "fatty" lol.

If anyone finds "ThePill" coming to the rescue on this issue please let me know....but so far hes been quiet. No surprise there. lol

[KMPrenger]

This just in...Steeda says the weight gain was "ESTIMATED".

They never weighed any cars.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/show...&postcount=591

So we'll see. Still can't believe Ford hasn't released these final specs about the car yet.