Are 22"s too big

[2010_5thgen]

Originally Posted by Doc

Okay after doing some fast research it looks like there are 2 5ive's; one is forged aluminum and in his size starts at about $1,500, the other is a carbon fiber composite and uses titanium fasteners which would explain the light weight, however in a 22" they are about $2k EACH. Since the aluminum one doesn't seem to have anything really different from the Nutek wheel, I'm guessing he went with the CF one? That's the only way it could be that light. That's a LOT of coin though just for a set of rims on a $30k car.

I'd still like to know what tires he chose.

they are not the carbon fiber wheels. i wish i had gotten them but i didnt. those wheels weighed about 25lbs a piece in a 22". crazy how light thosewheels are.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

yes they are the 360 forged spec 5ive. yes it is a 22x 9.5 front and a 22x11 rear. i never said it was 10 lbs lighter than the stock. i said it was just as light. i am running a vredestein 295/30/22 rear and a 265/35/22 front. yes it is possible for larger wheels to weigh less than smaller wheels. my wheels are forged and are also 3 pieces. where as the stock wheels are 1 piece and much thicker. looks at the spokes on my wheels. very skinny. look at the spokes on the stock 20's. very thick. thats where most of the weight is on the wheels. also the hus on the wheel holds alot of weight. im telling you, i am not lying to you and i have no reason to lie to you. do research before you buy wheels. most companies will give you whatever information you want about the wheels you plan on buying. remember you getwhat you pay for also. i paid a pretty penny for my wheels. these are not an "off the shelf" wheel. the cheaper they are, the heavier they may be and the weaker the wheels itself.

Man it took awhile to track down this info on the internet but I finally found the weight of the Vredesteins. I'm assuming you chose the Ultrac Sessanta which by the way comes up with a highly rated performance; the european performance mags rated them the highest overall. The Corvette guys really like the way they perform and the price is unbeatable in their class. Looks like a really good tire and it even beat the Pirelli PZero Neros.

In your sizes the 265/35/22 weighs 37 lbs and the 295/30/22 weighs 43.7 lbs. Since you said your rims weigh the same as the stock rims even though yours are the bigger size, that means the fronts are 30 lbs and the rears are 32 lbs. So for the fronts 30 + 37 = 67 lbs and for the rears 32 + 43.7 = 75.7 lbs.

The stock fronts with tires weigh 61 lbs the rears weigh 67 lbs. Your setup is 6 lbs over stock on the fronts and 8.7 lbs over stock on the rears. That's a total of 29.4 lbs more of unsprung weight than the stock setup. That works out to roughly an equivalent weight penalty of 147 lbs of sprung weight.

I'm not calling you a liar; I think you really believed the numbers you quoted but you either made an error in weighing, or were given the wrong information. And yes I do in fact do research which is why I was suspicious of the values you were quoting; no offense.

[97one]

Originally Posted by Doc

Man it took awhile to track down this info on the internet but I finally found the weight of the Vredesteins. I'm assuming you chose the Ultrac Sessanta which by the way comes up with a highly rated performance; the european performance mags rated them the highest overall. The Corvette guys really like the way they perform and the price is unbeatable in their class. Looks like a really good tire and it even beat the Pirelli PZero Neros.

In your sizes the 265/35/22 weighs 37 lbs and the 295/30/22 weighs 43.7 lbs. Since you said your rims weigh the same as the stock rims even though yours are the bigger size, that means the fronts are 30 lbs and the rears are 32 lbs. So for the fronts 30 + 37 = 67 lbs and for the rears 32 + 43.7 = 75.7 lbs.

The stock fronts with tires weigh 61 lbs the rears weigh 67 lbs. Your setup is 6 lbs over stock on the fronts and 8.7 lbs over stock on the rears. That's a total of 29.4 lbs more of unsprung weight than the stock setup. That works out to roughly an equivalent weight penalty of 147 lbs of sprung weight.

I'm not calling you a liar; I think you really believed the numbers you quoted but you either made an error in weighing, or were given the wrong information. And yes I do in fact do research which is why I was suspicious of the values you were quoting; no offense.

Doc,

Thanks for taking the time to keep the posts ACCURATE.
I seen discrepancies from the start of 2010_5thgen,s posts.

WOW.. those Vredestein tires are CHEAP compared to the P-Zero 275/40ZR20 @ $413. & 245/45ZR20 @ $369.ea. fr. Tire Rack.

[MakGrl]

I personally think the 20"s are better, but it's a preference. Whatever makes you happy!

[usmcjlp]

Thank you for the info on the vredestein tires. I had completely forgotten about them. They are a very good tire and at that price unbeatable.

[usmcjlp]

Doc,

Where did you find that price? I just did several searches and only found them in the low $200s. Thanks.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by usmcjlp

Doc,

Where did you find that price? I just did several searches and only found them in the low $200s. Thanks.

I "wisely" bookmarked the site. Although 2010_5thgen's numbers weren't exactly accurate, he did come up with a gem of a tire! Big thanks to him for that!

I'm going with 9 inch wide rims all the way around so the tire I'm looking at is the 275/40/20 which are the same size as the stock rears on the SS. This place has them in the Vredesteins for $176! And this is a great all-season tire according to the performance mags and it also got high marks for being quiet.

Here's the place that has them at that price:

http://www.dnjwheels.com/performance...parent=62&pg=1

I've never done business with them so I know nothing about them; just found them on the internet but they're a local Southern California company so they're easy to check out.

They're also 1 lb lighter than the stock tire so that's even better, and they out-performed the Pirelli's for half the price! The reviews gave them very high marks for how they felt when driving; very controllable, very predictable with no nasty habits. Even in the wet when sliding they were the testers favorite.

[Nine Ball]

I will try to dismount my 22s this weekend and weigh them compared with the stockers. I'm pretty sure my 22s are heavier than stock, just gauging by my ability to lift them onto the hubs, lol. But, mine are just for show. I'll get track wheels too.

[2010_5thgen]

Originally Posted by 97one

Doc,

Thanks for taking the time to keep the posts ACCURATE.
I seen discrepancies from the start of 2010_5thgen,s posts.

WOW.. those Vredestein tires are CHEAP compared to the P-Zero 275/40ZR20 @ $413. & 245/45ZR20 @ $369.ea. fr. Tire Rack.

discrepancies from my post?????? from the start???? how long have you bbeen a member of this site? just to let you know the real weight, ill take my wheels off and weigh them for you again. since i already had them done and you still dont believe me. ill even weigh my stock 20's sitting my garage.

[97one]

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

discrepancies from my post?????? from the start???? how long have you bbeen a member of this site? just to let you know the real weight, ill take my wheels off and weigh them for you again. since i already had them done and you still dont believe me. ill even weigh my stock 20's sitting my garage.

I guess I should have worded it differently, I was ONLY talking about THIS THREAD !..... Not any other Threads you may have posted on .

[usmcjlp]

Doc,

Thank you for posting the link.

2010_5thGen,

Thanks for the heads up on the vredestein tires.

I have gotten a lot out of this thread. I am taking delivery the first week of September. I appreciate the performance oriented nature of this thread. I am personally interested more in great handling than looks. That's just me though. You guys have both brought up some good points that I hadn't considered.

[2010_5thgen]

ok doc i dont know where you are getting your weights from but i have the break down for the wheels and tires of the stock and the 360 forged right here. when i bought them i weighed everything individually and mounted. heres what i got. the stock 20" wheels in the front weigh 31lbs for the tires and 30 lbs for the wheel. thats 61lbs a piece for the front wheel/tire combo. my 360 wheels weigh32lbs in the front and the tires weigh 33 lbs each. thats 65 lbs total for each front wheel/tire combo. i gained 8 lbs in the front. the rears are a different story. the stock wheels weigh 32 lbs and the tires weight 35 lbs. thats 67 per corner in the back. my 36o weigh 32 lbs and the tires weigh 35 lbs . thats also 67 lbs per corner in the rear with the 360 forged . so the backs even out and the fronts weigh 4 lbs heavier per corner. so i dont know where your weights are from but they clearly arent accurate. sorry to have to set you strait.

[2010_5thgen]

Originally Posted by Doc

Man it took awhile to track down this info on the internet but I finally found the weight of the Vredesteins. I'm assuming you chose the Ultrac Sessanta which by the way comes up with a highly rated performance; the european performance mags rated them the highest overall. The Corvette guys really like the way they perform and the price is unbeatable in their class. Looks like a really good tire and it even beat the Pirelli PZero Neros.

In your sizes the 265/35/22 weighs 37 lbs and the 295/30/22 weighs 43.7 lbs. Since you said your rims weigh the same as the stock rims even though yours are the bigger size, that means the fronts are 30 lbs and the rears are 32 lbs. So for the fronts 30 + 37 = 67 lbs and for the rears 32 + 43.7 = 75.7 lbs.

The stock fronts with tires weigh 61 lbs the rears weigh 67 lbs. Your setup is 6 lbs over stock on the fronts and 8.7 lbs over stock on the rears. That's a total of 29.4 lbs more of unsprung weight than the stock setup. That works out to roughly an equivalent weight penalty of 147 lbs of sprung weight.

I'm not calling you a liar; I think you really believed the numbers you quoted but you either made an error in weighing, or were given the wrong information. And yes I do in fact do research which is why I was suspicious of the values you were quoting; no offense.

the weights you have their are shiping weights. they raise the weight of the item so that they make more money on it. those tires dont weigh that much. get your facts strait.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

ok doc i dont know where you are getting your weights from but i have the break down for the wheels and tires of the stock and the 360 forged right here. when i bought them i weighed everything individually and mounted. heres what i got. the stock 20" wheels in the front weigh 31lbs for the tires and 30 lbs for the wheel. thats 61lbs a piece for the front wheel/tire combo. my 360 wheels weigh 32lbs in the front and the tires weigh 33 lbs each. thats 65 lbs total for each front wheel/tire combo. i gained 8 lbs in the front. the rears are a different story. the stock wheels weigh 32 lbs and the tires weight 35 lbs. thats 67 per corner in the back. my 36o weigh 32 lbs and the tires weigh 35 lbs . thats also 67 lbs per corner in the rear with the 360 forged . so the backs even out and the fronts weigh 4 lbs heavier per corner. so i dont know where your weights are from but they clearly arent accurate. sorry to have to set you strait.

"yes they are the 360 forged spec 5ive. yes it is a 22x 9.5 front and a 22x11 rear"

So you're trying to tell us that your 360 22x9.5 fronts and 22x11 rears weigh EXACTLY THE SAME? And you claim MY weights aren't accurate???

My "facts" are dead on with the stock weights but you don't know where I'm getting my weights from because to you "they clearly aren't accurate"? What wasn't clear? The posted screen snaps or the link so you could verify the source? I'm sorry dude but at this point you just have no credibility. You haven't posted any proof whatsoever of what you're claiming and it just doesn't add up. You haven't "set me strait [sic]" (it's 'straight' btw) and I simply don't believe you. I'm posting published weight specs that can be verified with the links to them. Show us a photo of one of your rear wheels with tire sitting on a scale and the scale showing it weighing 67 lbs and maybe you'll have some credibility.

Thank you for giving us the tire as it looks like a great performer at great prices but everything else you've posted is starting to slide into flag territory.