2011 Camaro Convertible potentially unveiled tomorrow in webcast!

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by DRK

I have a feeling that a Camaro would turn GM around alot more than a low-volume hybrid nobody wants.

Fritz mentioned $7,500 dollars off the Volt as a Government incentive.. Fritz would not comment on whether or not there would be another GM incentive on top of that..Probably not since GM is owned by the Government and this would be viewed as double dipping. If the US government was smart, they would bring the price down for the Volt by $7,500 and advertise it as such and not allow their competitors to use the Government discount like Toyota.. A $32,500 MSRP price on the Volt is still a bit high for a compact car with a $10,000 or more cost to replace the battery compartment once it dies. Someone representing the African American community mentioned "How will anybody living in an urban setting or an apartment complex be able to charge the car when no outlet is available. Fritz pretty much said they are working on that problem..lol.. Obviously the Volt will be a rich persons car or someone of upper middle class who has a garage and can afford a $32,000 - $40,000 car. I personally can afford $32,000 as that is what I paid for my Camaro SS, however if I had a choice, I'd still get the Camaro SS..

In other words the people who can't afford to buy gas and would benefit from this Volt technology for the most part can't charge it where they live and can't afford the initial cost... And unless gas prices skyrocket to $6.00 to $10.00 a gallon, I don't forsee a giant rush to buy the Volt after the initial "rich or upper middle class" buying frenzy or early adopters die down... Now, if GM can get the Volt technology into the base model non V8 Camaro and sell it for around the same price...I think that will sell like hotcakes and we enthusiasts can keep on buying the V8 since the fuel savings of the more efficient model be so high that the CAFE standards can't hurt the V8 powerplant...I know, I am dreaming, but lets hope the V8 survives all of this..

[IneedAZ]

I too am disappointed that there was no mention of the Camaro and its early success.

[Mindz]

who said the volt is 40k?

[KamaroKirb]

Now what/ we wait for news from people that were there? I thought i was going to see the whole thing :(

[chicagojoe16]

Originally Posted by Mindz

who said the volt is 40k?

If it's not, you'll pay the difference in taxes.

[Moorepheus]

Originally Posted by Mindz

who said the volt is 40k?

He didn't exactly say 40K, but he said over and over again it would be a high cost.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by Mindz

who said the volt is 40k?

$40,000 is the number one of the people in audience threw out and initially Fritz did not combat that price. Instead he mentioned there will be a $7,500 off Government incentive..Then he backtracked later and mentioned they have not figured a price yet or didn't want to mention a price this early on however he did say the Gen 1 price would be high at first.. The fact that the Camaro was not mentioned is very very troubling.. it seems GM is placing their entire eggs in the basket for the Volt's launch and success while the Camaro as a gas guzzling car in comparison is not eco-friendly enough for the new administration's liking.. So they only mention the Volt and Equinox... No Camaro vert :(..However we know its coming..

I did watch the whole thing by the way so just read my post above this one to get a better detail of what I observed..

Furthermore the two questions they pulled from the web was an afterthought..

[Mindz]

I watched the whole thing too. but he also said it's going to be priced based on the economy at the time of launch...


And as for the vert...when? I just want GM to say it'll be here 100% on this date, even if it's summer of 2011. Just give me hope so I can hold off and order one when the time comes...

[jcamere94z28]

230 mpg on the volt? you know what that means? CAFE my .... rear tail lights... we can have Camaro's and Corvettes without worring about CAFE with this little gem.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by Mindz

I watched the whole thing too. but he also dsaid it's going to be priced based on the economy at the time of launch...

Bad economy or not, the Volt will be priced very high for what you get.. It is better to buy a $10,000 corolla which is about the same size and keep it for 10 years paying for gas than spending $upwards of $40,000 on a car that would take 20 years of daily driving (halflife of the battery though will play a big factor since most car Lithium Ion batteries over 10 years lose more than half their capacity and these batteries cost over $10,000 to replace) In essence the only people who will be spending this much on the Volt initially will be the same people who are buying the Prius from Toyota thinking they are saving the planet. The reason I am saying this is in reality, you are not saving money by buying one, even if gas was $10.00 a gallon and $10,000 compacts that get over 35MPG still exist.

[chicagojoe16]

Originally Posted by jcamere94z28

230 mpg on the volt? you know what that means? CAFE my .... rear tail lights... we can have Camaro's and Corvettes without worring about CAFE with this little gem.

I didn't even think of that, awesome!

[Mindz]

I completely agree, which is another reason why I'm upset that the whole conference was about the volt.

What do you think powers the electrical outlet that charges the volt? Coal and Nuclear plants...Talk about emissions...

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by jcamere94z28

230 mpg on the volt? you know what that means? CAFE my .... rear tail lights... we can have Camaro's and Corvettes without worring about CAFE with this little gem.

He said each category of vehicles will be judged separately. CAFE standards it seems is not all of GM's cars combined.. The only way it would apply is if the Camaro V6 gets replaced by a Volt like hybrid engine and get 200MPG, then the V8 could get 5mpg average and still exist. However I think GM is heading towards replacing the V8 with something else at that point but I hope I am wrong..

Originally Posted by chicagojoe16

I didn't even think of that, awesome!

Like I said, watch the replay video and you will see Fritz mentions CAFE standards are not a fleetwide deal but have to be divided among categories of vehicles..

[chicagojoe16]

Can't really stream video at work so I didn't catch the part about separate categories.