Microfiber cloths, expensive isn't necessarily better.

[Muscle Car Memories]

Originally Posted by Dylan@SCG

As just a little insider perspective here... there are very few sources for quality towels. The majority of towels form various companies all come from the same factories in Korea, TRC being no different. They're just a direct bulk importer is all, so you may very well be comparing the same towels and seeing more of a placebo effect based on the perception of the source.

I agree there may be some a little better than others however its usually not worth the cost and what your saying about the placebo effect is correct, the more someone spends they automatically think its better and thats not always the case.

[DarthZL1]

Originally Posted by Muscle Car Memories

My experience cleaning and detailing cars (not for profit) just my own goes back about 35 years and as i said I would my paint on my Camaro and previous cars up against any out there.

No need to turn this into a pissing contest. There's always something to learn, especially when there are PROFESSIONAL detailers that are commenting in this thread.

If you're happy with what you're doing, then do it. No need to justify it to me or anybody else. If you find what you're doing acceptable, then hooray!

Personally I'm the type that likes to learn about new things. I had my eyes opened to something as simple as microfiber cloths. I'm always willing to admit that there are better ways to do things than what I'm currently doing, no matter how long I've done it.

I have learned, though, that more expensive isn't always better. The towels that failed me in my original post were NOT cheap. I was glad that the autozone crappy towels I had were able to fix my issue. BUT, since I ordered the Boa towels, I will probably save the AutoZone ones for under the hood, or grimey jobs.

[Muscle Car Memories]

Originally Posted by DarthZL1

No need to turn this into a pissing contest. There's always something to learn, especially when there are PROFESSIONAL detailers that are commenting in this thread.

If you're happy with what you're doing, then do it. No need to justify it to me or anybody else. If you find what you're doing acceptable, then hooray!

Personally I'm the type that likes to learn about new things. I had my eyes opened to something as simple as microfiber cloths. I'm always willing to admit that there are better ways to do things than what I'm currently doing, no matter how long I've done it.

I have learned, though, that more expensive isn't always better. The towels that failed me in my original post were NOT cheap. I was glad that the autozone crappy towels I had were able to fix my issue. BUT, since I ordered the Boa towels, I will probably save the AutoZone ones for under the hood, or grimey jobs.

There isnt a "pissing contest" its just some members always make negative comments if they dont agree with how someone does something, ive got my way, you got yours and they have theirs.

Im as picky as they come about my Camaro and if what I was doing wasnt working I would defintely change it up and some of the threads ive seen here in the past have caused me to change up the way I do things but people dont have to be so negative about things.

[JTruck]

Originally Posted by Muscle Car Memories

This thread has come down to toilet paper....

Not wanting a pissing match here either, that being said..

I hope you realize you are dismissing one of the most respected not only professional but expert detailer in the detailing community. While there are people such as CD07 that is a professional and knows his stuff, no disrespect to Matt, but Dylan takes it to a whole new level. Dylan's done the more "scientific" side of analyzing products and their effects, if anyone were to know how microfiber differs and whether it really makes a difference, he would know.

Whatever works for you go for it, it's your car. That being said, I wouldn't dismiss products you haven't tried in the first place or someone who makes a living off of something you do as a past time.

[DylanVK]

Originally Posted by JTruck

Whatever works for you go for it, it's your car.

This is at the core of it... honestly I don't care if you wash your car with playground sand - if you are happy with it then thats all that matters. But if you only wash your car with playground sand and haven't tried soap, don't tell me soap is a waste of money.

Getting to the core of the topic of this thread:

Microfiber cloths, expensive isn't necessarily better.

Indeed, this is a very true statement. Just because its expensive doesn't mean its better, but the flip side of this is however - better quality does carry a higher price tag. As I outlined in my post there is more material and higher quality material used in the construction of 'premium' towels. No matter how you slice it that cost is getting passed onto consumers in one way or another. Its not like the price is higher 'just because'. So if its true as price goes up, you have to understand its true when price goes down. When you pay less than $1 for a towel the savings came from somewhere - in this case its at the expense of the amount of material (density) and quality of the material. So its unfair to qualify premium towels as simply 'overpriced' - there is a reason they cost more. You are getting MORE material and BETTER quality material.

You don't buy a base level V6 Camaro expecting Z28 performance right? The components, materials, and total package carries a higher cost to manufacture - thus it carries a higher price tag and higher performance.

Forgetting the debate of whether those additional grams of density or quality of the ratio are necessary - I personally chose to use (and recommend) towels of the highest quality. My vehicles are worth the extra couple of bucks. You don't buy the cheapest oil you can find, you don't run the cheapest tires, why skimp on something simple like towels?

Originally Posted by JTruck

I hope you realize you are dismissing one of the most respected not only professional but expert detailer in the detailing community. While there are people such as CD07 that is a professional and knows his stuff, no disrespect to Matt, but Dylan takes it to a whole new level. Dylan's done the more "scientific" side of analyzing products and their effects, if anyone were to know how microfiber differs and whether it really makes a difference, he would know.

You are far too kind, thank you. BTW - its OK... just come out and say it. Matt is a jerk. We won't let him hurt you

[DylanVK]

Originally Posted by Muscle Car Memories

I agree there may be some a little better than others however its usually not worth the cost and what your saying about the placebo effect is correct, the more someone spends they automatically think its better and thats not always the case.

I think you misunderstood my post... my point about the placebo effect was different prices paid on IDENTICAL towels, which it sounds like what he is comparing.

[CamaroDreams07]

Originally Posted by Dylan@SCG

This is at the core of it... honestly I don't care if you wash your car with playground sand - if you are happy with it then thats all that matters. But if you only wash your car with playground sand and haven't tried soap, don't tell me soap is a waste of money.

Getting to the core of the topic of this thread:

Microfiber cloths, expensive isn't necessarily better.

Indeed, this is a very true statement. Just because its expensive doesn't mean its better, but the flip side of this is however - better quality does carry a higher price tag. As I outlined in my post there is more material and higher quality material used in the construction of 'premium' towels. No matter how you slice it that cost is getting passed onto consumers in one way or another. Its not like the price is higher 'just because'. So if its true as price goes up, you have to understand its true when price goes down. When you pay less than $1 for a towel the savings came from somewhere - in this case its at the expense of the amount of material (density) and quality of the material. So its unfair to qualify premium towels as simply 'overpriced' - there is a reason they cost more. You are getting MORE material and BETTER quality material.

You don't buy a base level V6 Camaro expecting Z28 performance right? The components, materials, and total package carries a higher cost to manufacture - thus it carries a higher price tag and higher performance.

Forgetting the debate of whether those additional grams of density or quality of the ratio are necessary - I personally chose to use (and recommend) towels of the highest quality. My vehicles are worth the extra couple of bucks. You don't buy the cheapest oil you can find, you don't run the cheapest tires, why skimp on something simple like towels?




You are far too kind, thank you. BTW - its OK... just come out and say it. Matt is a jerk. We won't let him hurt you

Hey I don't even think i was a jerk in this particular thread. I think..

[JTruck]

Originally Posted by Dylan@SCG

You are far too kind, thank you. BTW - its OK... just come out and say it. Matt is a jerk. We won't let him hurt you

Matt doesn't scare me. I'm sure he's teddy bear in person.

[CamaroDreams07]

Originally Posted by JTruck

Matt doesn't scare me. I'm sure he's teddy bear in person.

I don't scare anyone I don't think. Toddlers punk me out.

[BAD DAB]

Should you wash your micro fiber drying towels before you use them the first time. (Great white drying towel)

[CamaroDreams07]

Yes always wash microfiber prior to use.

[JTruck]

Originally Posted by Jus1dab

Should you wash your micro fiber drying towels before you use them the first time. (Great white drying towel)

Yes.

[oachalon]

Originally Posted by Dylan@SCG

As just a little insider perspective here... there are very few sources for quality towels. The majority of towels form various companies all come from the same factories in Korea, TRC being no different. They're just a direct bulk importer is all, so you may very well be comparing the same towels and seeing more of a placebo effect based on the perception of the source.

Dylan, thanks for the info. I do understand this concept 100%. One of my job requirements is to work with and source factories from China, Taiwan, and Korea. As it seems to be with all product lines, there are a few factories actually producing the product while the rest just private label and resell. Its hard for people to understand sometimes that a lot of people are getting product from the same factory.

I understand that TRC most likely gets their towels from the same manufacturer as possibly Adams or Zaino, or a subsidiary of that factory as everybody is partnered/knows everybody in the far east, but during my testing the 3 towels from TRC scratched the clear, while my Adams towels and my Zaino towels did not. I dont know if it was due to washing, even though they are washed the exact same way, or something else.

[Adam's Polishes]

Originally Posted by Xii239

I have nice microfiber clothes: two thick white adams polishes ones, one of the crazy blue ones, and 2 great white drying towels from adams. I wash them all together but for some reason, when I dry off my car I still get fuzzies everywhere. I am attributing it it to my drier. I guess there is just so much lint in it that it goes right onto the towels whenever I dry them. Any suggestions?

Got your PM and replied.

Linting can sometimes be caused by fabric softener contamination, whether it's added to the wash cycle (big no-no!) or residual traces of it in the drum of your dryer from your normal clothes.

As Dylan mentioned, it's possible that they are nearing the end of their useful service life as well, depending on how many times they've been used and washed.

If you're washing them with a liquid detergent with no fabric softener, allowing them to air dry, have tried boiling them with vinegar added to the water, and you're still seeing linting...let me know and I'll take care of you!