July 2014 Camaro Sales Figures (and vs. Mustang & Challenger)

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Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

Oh, you're talking bout the mustang! LOL.... I'm sorry! We're talking about the award winning and top selling muscle car the Camaro!

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

You can't contend with the fact that Camaro's design philosophy stems a lot from the fact that Ford looked to the 1st gen Mustang and Chrysler building a retro-themed Challenger.

Had the competition not done that, the 5th gen (if it ever even came to fruition again) might have been an evolution of the 4th gen design or something.

Or the fact that b the Mustang's success spawned the first Camaro, then the retro S197 spawned the return of the camaro?

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

You can't contend with the fact that Camaro's design philosophy stems a lot from the fact that Ford looked to the 1st gen Mustang and Chrysler building a retro-themed Challenger.

Had the competition not done that, the 5th gen (if it ever even came to fruition again) might have been an evolution of the 4th gen design or something.

We don't know 100% that this Retro design camaro wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the mustang! Because GM have been working on a similar design since 1999 which is before they stopped. producing the 4th Gen!

Originally Posted by lbls1

The new rear gives the camaro character, and it fills out the rear nicely. I do admit that the refresh had to grow on me.

The refresh helped all of the models, but it especially helped the 1LE; That model has killer looks!

I definitely. don't see how a the sports car looking refresh helped the the camaro that was Retroed after the most sought after year camaro! But everyone has their opinion because I don't think that the refresh more mainstream back has more character or goes with the round and curvy back! The front has more going which I don't have a problem with but it's more of a sports car look than a pony or muscle car look! So I got what I wanted and you got yours!

[doc7000]

I think with all 3 of these cars many assumptions are being made as far as what has made them a success. I think too much credit is being given to "retro" styling, the Camaro was always the least retro of the 3 and with the 2014 model year changes it moved even further away from "retro" and yet thus far this is the 5th generations best year yet. At its current pace it is looking to get really close to 100,000 sales mark (though likely to hit about 90,000 going through the slower months).

Honestly I feel that "retro" has very limited success/market appeal as you have a group of people who want it and being older has the income at launch. The retro sales have shown to in many cases exhaust themselves after roughly 2 years of a vehicle being on market. After that vehicles have to sell on their own merits, that is what the 2014 has more of that the 2010 model year didn't have as much. For those who retro doesn't have as great of an appeal the 2014 has a much better exterior design front and back. The interior still needs a good deal of work however it gets the job done (really the drawback here is the materials). The 1LE package is another part of what really sets the Camaro apart from its competitors (the Mustang and Challenger) and with the design enhancements of 2014 looks even more killer. What really kept the Camaro afloat in model year 3 and model year 4 were new packages as well as improvements. For example the 2012 model year got the LFX V-6 engine and things like the ZL1 came out then the 1LE and now we have the Z/28 Camaro. Also a rebounding US car market had the impact of lifting all boats, I feel without that the 2012 and 2013 model years would have dipped down a bit.

[lbls1]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

We don't know 100% that this Retro design camaro wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the mustang! Because GM have been working on a similar design since 1999 which is before they stopped. producing the 4th Gen!



I definitely. don't see how a the sports car looking refresh helped the the camaro that was Retroed after the most sought after year camaro! But everyone has their opinion because I don't think that the refresh more mainstream back has more character or goes with the round and curvy back! The front has more going which I don't have a problem with but it's more of a sports car look than a pony or muscle car look! So I got what I wanted and you got yours!

Designs and styling are hard to predict. Sometimes a feature that's hated or criticized by passionate car fans turn out to be a hit to the general public. I feel that a car that turns out to be a success with the buying public is a win-win situation for everyone involved. The best looking designs sometimes have hit snags in a buyer's market; So to say that a controversial design feature is enjoying moderate success should speak volumes about the smart marketing effects that Chevy is enjoying with this Camaro.

[Q'smuscle]

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Originally Posted by doc7000

I think with all 3 of these cars many assumptions are being made as far as what has made them a success. I think too much credit is being given to "retro" styling, the Camaro was always the least retro of the 3 and with the 2014 model year changes it moved even further away from "retro" and yet thus far this is the 5th generations best year yet. At its current pace it is looking to get really close to 100,000 sales mark (though likely to hit about 90,000 going through the slower months).

Honestly I feel that "retro" has very limited success/market appeal as you have a group of people who want it and being older has the income at launch. The retro sales have shown to in many cases exhaust themselves after roughly 2 years of a vehicle being on market. After that vehicles have to sell on their own merits, that is what the 2014 has more of that the 2010 model year didn't have as much. For those who retro doesn't have as great of an appeal the 2014 has a much better exterior design front and back. The interior still needs a good deal of work however it gets the job done (really the drawback here is the materials). The 1LE package is another part of what really sets the Camaro apart from its competitors (the Mustang and Challenger) and with the design enhancements of 2014 looks even more killer. What really kept the Camaro afloat in model year 3 and model year 4 were new packages as well as improvements. For example the 2012 model year got the LFX V-6 engine and things like the ZL1 came out then the 1LE and now we have the Z/28 Camaro. Also a rebounding US car market had the impact of lifting all boats, I feel without that the 2012 and 2013 model years would have dipped down a bit.

Definitely, disagree because the biggest selling point of the 14's is the interior gadgets and design! A lot of ppl feel like their 2010-11 camaro interior is boring especially the radio!

[Louie L.]

The '14 refresh shows a good move....little tweaks I wanted are changed...that is why I will only get a '14 + as my 5th gen...Thanks Team Camaro...

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

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Definitely, disagree because the biggest selling point of the 14's is the interior gadgets and design! A lot of ppl feel like their 2010-11 camaro interior is boring especially the radio!

The 2014 interior is almost completely carried over from the 2012/2013 models.

[Zig Zag]

Originally Posted by doc7000

I think with all 3 of these cars many assumptions are being made as far as what has made them a success. I think too much credit is being given to "retro" styling, the Camaro was always the least retro of the 3 and with the 2014 model year changes it moved even further away from "retro" and yet thus far this is the 5th generations best year yet. At its current pace it is looking to get really close to 100,000 sales mark (though likely to hit about 90,000 going through the slower months).

Honestly I feel that "retro" has very limited success/market appeal as you have a group of people who want it and being older has the income at launch. The retro sales have shown to in many cases exhaust themselves after roughly 2 years of a vehicle being on market. After that vehicles have to sell on their own merits, that is what the 2014 has more of that the 2010 model year didn't have as much. For those who retro doesn't have as great of an appeal the 2014 has a much better exterior design front and back. The interior still needs a good deal of work however it gets the job done (really the drawback here is the materials). The 1LE package is another part of what really sets the Camaro apart from its competitors (the Mustang and Challenger) and with the design enhancements of 2014 looks even more killer. What really kept the Camaro afloat in model year 3 and model year 4 were new packages as well as improvements. For example the 2012 model year got the LFX V-6 engine and things like the ZL1 came out then the 1LE and now we have the Z/28 Camaro. Also a rebounding US car market had the impact of lifting all boats, I feel without that the 2012 and 2013 model years would have dipped down a bit.

+1 Well said.

[Zig Zag]

Originally Posted by Louie L.

The '14 refresh shows a good move....little tweaks I wanted are changed...that is why I will only get a '14 + as my 5th gen...Thanks Team Camaro...

I agree...Yes, Thanks team Camaro!!

[Q'smuscle]

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Originally Posted by doc7000

I think with all 3 of these cars many assumptions are being made as far as what has made them a success. I think too much credit is being given to "retro" styling, the Camaro was always the least retro of the 3 and with the 2014 model year changes it moved even further away from "retro" and yet thus far this is the 5th generations best year yet. At its current pace it is looking to get really close to 100,000 sales mark (though likely to hit about 90,000 going through the slower months).

Honestly I feel that "retro" has very limited success/market appeal as you have a group of people who want it and being older has the income at launch. The retro sales have shown to in many cases exhaust themselves after roughly 2 years of a vehicle being on market. After that vehicles have to sell on their own merits, that is what the 2014 has more of that the 2010 model year didn't have as much. For those who retro doesn't have as great of an appeal the 2014 has a much better exterior design front and back. The interior still needs a good deal of work however it gets the job done (really the drawback here is the materials). The 1LE package is another part of what really sets the Camaro apart from its competitors (the Mustang and Challenger) and with the design enhancements of 2014 looks even more killer. What really kept the Camaro afloat in model year 3 and model year 4 were new packages as well as improvements. For example the 2012 model year got the LFX V-6 engine and things like the ZL1 came out then the 1LE and now we have the Z/28 Camaro. Also a rebounding US car market had the impact of lifting all boats, I feel without that the 2012 and 2013 model years would have dipped down a bit.

Definitely, disagree because the biggest selling point of the 14's is the interior gadgets and design! A lot of ppl feel like their 2010-11 camaro interior is boring especially the radio! The recaro seats and 1LE package is hitting big in 14 year because most didn't know how great of a deal the 1LE is and there was a limited production in 2013. I nobody actually knows how the 5th Gen would have done if Chevy didn't do the refresh because nomatter what the Camaro won every award in the 4 model years. Plus the 14 sales could. be benefiting from the economy not being dead like it was when the 5th Gen first came out! This year is on the verge of being the best for jobs and economy since 2006 . A lot of ppl feel like the 5th Gen is still too expensive even for a 2010 ss or v6 still cost over 16,000 unless you want a v6 with a 100,000 miles!

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by Louie L.

The '14 refresh shows a good move....little tweaks I wanted are changed...that is why I will only get a '14 + as my 5th gen...Thanks Team Camaro...

You bought a 14 or 15?

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

The 2014 interior is almost completely carried over from the 2012/2013 models.

Correct! But most ppl wait and see how everything works like the mylink because everyone wished that the Camaro. had a touch screen . But GM was having a little bit of problems with the mylink but I didn't care or even used the mylink when I had my 2013 . Personally I think that there are better after market touch screens! Plus it seems like GM let you Nick and pick your packages for the 14 year! But the refresh does look more aggressive in the front. ànd it still have the 5th Gen body! For me the 60's look is what I wanted! Some ppl want Retro , some want a more modern look. Which is where the world is going less grill I.e. a sqinty front . The Toyota corolla grill and 14 5th gen grill and headlights are very simillar. I guess l smaller is what ppl want!. So they willl sell.

[FenwickHockey65]

Are you for freaking real?

You're grasping at straws at this point.

[Q'smuscle]

hahaha..... a 14. owner had went and looked at the Toyota corolla front after I said the samething and said that it was crazy that he never noticed how similar it looks it is.So sorry! Not pulling or reaching.It's where the world is going and more options are better!

[FenwickHockey65]

You're saying that people waited TWO WHOLE YEARS to decide to buy a Camaro based on wanting MyLink's kinks to be worked out?

The '14 exterior refresh was a success. End of story. Sales figures prove it.