Craigslist + Post = unhappy Dealers

[Croatcamaro2010]

theory holds true, if you put a price, they will buy. honesty is not the game here, its sales, period, which is why i will never go to sales because i refuse to lie to people, granted there are honest salesman, all others are worse or morman

[ffrcobra_65]

guys, this same goes for almost any other product. gas, milk, etc. for some, it is about convenience and having the financial means to do so. I am not rich but if I was , I am not even going to begin to brag about how much I make in a year or what property I bought this year (in CA, you can buy 2 mansions elsewhere for the price of a middle-class home) but seriously, if I decide to pay more than others, who cares, it is my money.

[SpeedDemon]

wow, seams people are a bit confused on here,
For starters, its the PRICE the dealers put on it................and don't kid yourselves..................Their is a reason it is STILL SITTING on that lot for THAT PRICE....lol.............because lets face it, average joe is OBVIOUSLY going to see it is marked up.......who is going to go buy a certain car at a dealership before checking out the actual MSRP of the car before hand online and read into it first. No one is going to go into a dealer without knowledge of the car they want to buy........lollolol.

YES, be careful and don't get caught in the dealers word games.....They are going to tell you they are SELLING those CAMAROS for THAT PRICE......................that does not mean in the least that people are BUYING them at that price...............
The dealers are probably even telling you the truth, They probably have sold Camaros that are AT 5k+ over!..............STARTING price WAS at 5k+ OVER!.......but they may have *shocker* sold them for less than that! So in theory technically speaking they can still say that they sold a car that was AT 5k+ over!

The ONLY reason they do that is because they know their may be people out their with alot of cash that want this car bad enough and will pay. They are trying to find the bigger enthusiest with the most money in other words plain and simple.

but i gurantee you 70-80% of people will not pay that, and thats the reason it is still on the lot..........because no one is paying it. or they are only paying a little over sticker. EVERYONE talks down the initial price, and dealers KNOW this, that is why they mark it up. Even the cars that are at retail price are not being sold for that........don't kid yourself..............no one hardly buys retail for anything anymore. that is why the economy is in the shape its in and alot of things are on sale and you can get most stuff cheaper than normal now.
for some reason though...............the camaro is still marked up.............so economic hard times my butt I don't even believe it anymore.

[camarogolfguy]

What is the shipping cost on the sticker to get the car to Hawaii? There are other factors to consider as well besides supply and demand. I got mine built in 2 months from date of order to del at GMS.

[AngryAmish]

LMAO!! Sig worthy. Had I been drinking something it would be coming out my nose right now.

Originally Posted by fastball

If you're going to blow your money on something assinine, frivolous, and completely ignorant, at least put it in the stock market

[MontyCarlo]

Dealers pretend it's about supply and demand, but often times they're trying their hardest to misrepresent what the real supply and real demand are. That's not something you can handwave away with "that's just how capitalism works." It's dishonest, and the folks who go along with it are suckers. Rich suckers, but suckers nonetheless. They think they're paying extra to have the car NOW, but the fact is they could have the car NOW without paying extra at all if they did their own research instead of letting themselves be deceived - so really, they're paying extra for no reason whatsoever.

[Capstone]

Originally Posted by fastball

Those who know me from this forum long enough know how ANTI dealer I am, even the good ones.....

This gives even more fuel to my fire that franchise laws be abolished and manufacturers start selling their cars themselves through a distribution network owned and managed strictly by the manufacturer.

It has NOTHING to do with whether or not one can afford a car if they mark up the price, because in all honesty, if one were buying and in the market for a car with an MSRP of $35k, they can for all intents afford $40k.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the excuse they use as supply and demand, when in actuality they are just robbing people.

It irritates the hell out of me.

Sorry to here about your irritation... But this is the best system there is in the world and your logic is flawed.

This is oversimplifying, but suffice to say, the average consumer would ultimately suffer even more if the distribution was pushed back to manufacturing. With dealers deciding which cars to sell, as independant business people, the products that rely on a free market goes through a market quality filter twice; the dealers that have to sell them to make money, and the consumers that have to pay the fair market value to own them based on the ability of the dealership to sell the car and provide good service after the fact. This free market "two layer" system keeps only the best products in business while the crappy cars go out of business.

[MontyCarlo]

There's a difference between "fair market value" and "price fixing."

[greenrail]

To me the way you battle "price-fixing" as referred to here, is to not buy at a dealer who marks up the cost of the vehicle.

Heck, I called seven dealers before I decided which one I would buy from. Six of those seven were marking the car up.

Made my decision rather simple acually. You control what you will or won't spend on any given item.

It all boils down to personal restraint.

[CamaroScotty]

I have yet to hear someone ask "Can you beat my best deal of...."

[greenrail]

I guess, my take here is that this horse has been talked about, beaten to death and sent to the glue factory many times on here.

While we as enthusiasts may not like the reality that dealers may charge whatever the market will bear, it is out there and will continue as long as people will pay whatever price they can afford for a given product.

I don't like it, and I have stated so many times on here.

Since we have become an instant gratification society, it will only continue at best and get worse, most likely.

If you don't like the price, walk away and find another dealer or wait until the one with whom you are dealing gets over it.

Do your homework. Research, heck if you are on here you have internet access. It isn't that difficult. If that doesn't work then pick up the telephone and make some phone calls.

THis happend when Chrysler Introduced the PT Cruiser, and I am sure it will happen again with the next gotta have vehicle.

[Wikedwil]

Originally Posted by Johnwayne

Pete Moore Chevrolet
- www.petemoore.com
103 New Warrington Rd, Pensacola - (850) 456-7000

Im about to order a camaro i just sold my 400+rwhp RX-7 i was in Pensacola, FL for some training and went into this dealership. looked at one and i knew i had to have one. they are marking up $6,000 over MSRP it said 35K and then the sticker price was 41K i asked him why is it more? He told me everyone is doing it and good luck finding a new one at MSRP. I called my local dealership in Gulfport. and they just laughed and said there crazy cmon in a order one it will show up with your name on it.

Do a search on Google or whatever for a car at MSRP. They are out there.

[Wikedwil]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

Highly doubt they'll be plentiful like mustangs.... They are a lot more expensive than mustangs. People just don't buy the v6 camaro like they buy the v6 mustang.... I've found that everyone and I mean everyone who buys a camaro will go for the v8.

How special are you that you know everyone in the ENTIRE world. Guess my V6 and others on here are just figments of someones imagination.

[scythezo6]

Originally Posted by greenrail

I guess, my take here is that this horse has been talked about, beaten to death and sent to the glue factory many times on here.

While we as enthusiasts may not like the reality that dealers may charge whatever the market will bear, it is out there and will continue as long as people will pay whatever price they can afford for a given product.

I don't like it, and I have stated so many times on here.

Since we have become an instant gratification society, it will only continue at best and get worse, most likely.

If you don't like the price, walk away and find another dealer or wait until the one with whom you are dealing gets over it.

Do your homework. Research, heck if you are on here you have internet access. It isn't that difficult. If that doesn't work then pick up the telephone and make some phone calls.

THis happend when Chrysler Introduced the PT Cruiser, and I am sure it will happen again with the next gotta have vehicle.

AMEN!!11!
Let it go folks! Getting hot headed about the issue isnt going to solve anything. There are better, more fruitful things in life to get passionate about than what dealers charge for a 2010 car with months left in 2009.