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Witt51 · 11-24-2016, 11:04 PM

I was only going to call comp cam to get information about the preload on those lifters and see if I can get it documents as proof and to check if those lifters need to have adjustable rockers . I was going to call BTR to get recommendations on what I should use if I change lifter. I wasnt passing any blame on them at all. I was more going to go to them for help and answers on what to use because I can't go to the builder.i don't trust him. I do think the builder would know by specing the cam and working with BT the push size rods should be after he had the heads verified from the machine shop that it was decked. 060. So no blame from me is on them. My point about builder and machine shop is that I kept telling builder I hear a noise in the valve train and no explaination was giving except it has an exhaust leak and I was throughing check engine light after and he didn't even attempt to look that up. I went to machine shop with my oil for him to look at for mainly bearing wear or failure because of the sound. Machine shop guy said he heard the noise when I showed him and he said he smelled gas in my oil and to talk to builder about checking those things out. From there when I talked to builder was pretty much making excuses. Says he always smells fuel in oil and if have issues they can pull the motor and send back to machine shop. So he didn't give me any help or said let me check it out. I'm sure he was pissed cause I left over 10 messages for him to call me and left 2 on his voice mail. Not one time called me back. To me that isn't right. All the money I spent with him and time Atleast take a look especially after the machine shop you use is telling me something is wrong.

So I didn't say BTR or comp did anything wrong or want them to pay for anything. I don't think it's their fault but I'm lost looking for answers on the right way to get this fixed.

The heads were done a while back and had no real noise issue until now. I think the builder installed the wrong parts with it. I would assume he would to all the pvt checks and all other things to check for. Brian specd that cam knowing the heads were decked.

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PapaKlutch · 11-25-2016, 02:08 AM

One of the forum members here, Pro Stock John, is a Chicago area guy. He is on the dragstrip thread a lot.

As I recall he was a founder of the old LS1 tech group. He could perhaps recommend a great shop to take your car for diagnosis/repair.

Good luck!

Witt51 · 11-25-2016, 02:10 AM

I've actually talked to him and he recommended someone to me. I called and waiting for a call back

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PapaKlutch · 11-25-2016, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Witt51

I've actually talked to him and he recommended someone to me. I called and waiting for a call back

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Good Luck!

Witt51 · 11-25-2016, 02:25 AM

Thanks. I need luck and a lot of it.

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Potent SS · 11-25-2016, 02:33 AM

I am a Chicago native and I can tell you 2 shops that are top notch. I myself had excellent experiences with them. First would be Nickey in St. Charles, Stefano is the owner... he is really great 630-377-1222. Speed inc in Schaumburg would be my second go to.. Tony the manager is also a great guy 847-891-0767....I know Pro Stock John uses this shop quite a bit... hope this helps

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Witt51 · 11-25-2016, 02:38 AM

I will look into those places also. It be just really good to get some thoughts and ideas. Talking to guys on here have given a good starting point but with my look nothing is ever that easy

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Potent SS · 11-25-2016, 02:41 AM

Not sure of the repeat ... sorry

LSX Camaro · 11-25-2016, 10:38 AM

Can we Please stop talking about Adjustable Rocker Arms! Lifter pre-load is determined by pushrod length. That's it! There may be situation where a adjustable rocker arm is needed like .700-800" lift or solid lifters. But not with your current set up.

Witt51 · 11-25-2016, 11:36 AM

LSX that's exactly the answer I needed to know. Thank you. I can count that part out. I know you know these engines in and out. I've read that some people say you do and some say you don't. I'm not an expert on this so I'm trying to learn what I should and shouldn't do. I want to just drive the car and enjoy it

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Witt51 · 11-25-2016, 12:00 PM

Here is a question about push rod length. When picking length do pick based on preload or the valve train geometry? Would you sacrifice valve wipe being off a little to get the correct preload?

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booneSS13 · 11-25-2016, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LSX Camaro

Can we Please stop talking about Adjustable Rocker Arms! Lifter pre-load is determined by pushrod length. That's it! There may be situation where a adjustable rocker arm is needed like .700-800" lift or solid lifters. But not with your current set up.

Then can you explain why so many people are having issues with the type R lifters with the stock rockers? There's more than plenty of threads on Ls1tech about that. Good luck with setting that little of a preload with the stock rocker setup. That's asking for trouble and is just unnecessary in my opinion. The stock rockers with a simple trunion upgrade has been proven time and time again to be sufficient unless you are building an all out high revving n/a motor

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jergarr · 11-25-2016, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Potent SS

I am a Chicago native and I can tell you 2 shops that are top notch. I myself had excellent experiences with them. First would be Nickey in St. Charles, Stefano is the owner... he is really great 630-377-1222. Speed inc in Schaumburg would be my second go to.. Tony the manager is also a great guy 847-891-0767....I know Pro Stock John uses this shop quite a bit... hope this helps

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Those would be the only shops out here i would use.

Rocco70 · 11-26-2016, 08:57 AM

Did I read this right all work was done by straight line performance. I have Heard nothing but bad things about this shop I live in the area. My buddy and several other people I know had nothing but issues with them. I wouldn't let them work on my go-cart

11-25-2016, 02:08 AM	#58
PapaKlutch Drives: 2015 Camaro SS/1LE Join Date: May 2015 Location: Nevada Posts: 950	One of the forum members here, Pro Stock John, is a Chicago area guy. He is on the dragstrip thread a lot. As I recall he was a founder of the old LS1 tech group. He could perhaps recommend a great shop to take your car for diagnosis/repair. Good luck! __________________ 2015 2SS/1LE/RECARO/NPP/RS/NAV Last edited by PapaKlutch; 11-25-2016 at 02:08 AM. Reason: typo

11-25-2016, 02:41 AM	#64
Potent SS Drives: 2014 Camaro 2SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Chicago Posts: 51	A complete speed shop rebuild disaster Not sure of the repeat ... sorry

11-25-2016, 10:38 AM	#65
LSX Camaro Master ASE, GM, LSX Tech. Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,034	Can we Please stop talking about Adjustable Rocker Arms! Lifter pre-load is determined by pushrod length. That's it! There may be situation where a adjustable rocker arm is needed like .700-800" lift or solid lifters. But not with your current set up. __________________ 2010 2SSRS A6, Custom Pat G. Cam, WCCH Cylinder Heads, Kooks Headers/Exhaust, BTR Valvetrain, Fluidampr 25% UDP, All Engine ARP bolts, Flex-a-lite radiator/Trans cooler, Yank converter, PFADT Suspension, ADM Race Intake/Scoop, Torq tow hook, CFD auto shifter, Dynojet AFR gauge, Aeroforce scan gauge, Brake Performance rotors/pads Prothane bushings, ZL1 wheels, spoiler, Z/28 wickerbill, 1LE Aero/Suspension Package, Anderson Composites COPO Carbon Fiber Hood, LED lighting, Elite Catch Can, Improved Racing oil pan baffle, crank scraper, windage tray 480 RWHP 452 RWTQ + Nitrous Express 150 Shot

11-26-2016, 08:57 AM	#70
Rocco70 THE YETI Drives: 2SS RS Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: chicago Posts: 411	Did I read this right all work was done by straight line performance. I have Heard nothing but bad things about this shop I live in the area. My buddy and several other people I know had nothing but issues with them. I wouldn't let them work on my go-cart __________________ Nickey stage 2 cam, ported heads, fast intake, AMR Headers, no cats, 3inch X pipe,under drive pully,ported throttle body, adm race scoop,AMD cold air, Nickey custom tune,catch can,1le 3:91,BMR trailing arms and outer bushing,toe rods,rear sway bar, tunnel brace,mr228 rims 315 nt05r

11-24-2016, 11:04 PM	#57
Witt51 Drives: Black 2ss Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 232	I was only going to call comp cam to get information about the preload on those lifters and see if I can get it documents as proof and to check if those lifters need to have adjustable rockers . I was going to call BTR to get recommendations on what I should use if I change lifter. I wasnt passing any blame on them at all. I was more going to go to them for help and answers on what to use because I can't go to the builder.i don't trust him. I do think the builder would know by specing the cam and working with BT the push size rods should be after he had the heads verified from the machine shop that it was decked. 060. So no blame from me is on them. My point about builder and machine shop is that I kept telling builder I hear a noise in the valve train and no explaination was giving except it has an exhaust leak and I was throughing check engine light after and he didn't even attempt to look that up. I went to machine shop with my oil for him to look at for mainly bearing wear or failure because of the sound. Machine shop guy said he heard the noise when I showed him and he said he smelled gas in my oil and to talk to builder about checking those things out. From there when I talked to builder was pretty much making excuses. Says he always smells fuel in oil and if have issues they can pull the motor and send back to machine shop. So he didn't give me any help or said let me check it out. I'm sure he was pissed cause I left over 10 messages for him to call me and left 2 on his voice mail. Not one time called me back. To me that isn't right. All the money I spent with him and time Atleast take a look especially after the machine shop you use is telling me something is wrong. So I didn't say BTR or comp did anything wrong or want them to pay for anything. I don't think it's their fault but I'm lost looking for answers on the right way to get this fixed. The heads were done a while back and had no real noise issue until now. I think the builder installed the wrong parts with it. I would assume he would to all the pvt checks and all other things to check for. Brian specd that cam knowing the heads were decked. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

11-25-2016, 02:10 AM	#59
Witt51 Drives: Black 2ss Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 232	I've actually talked to him and he recommended someone to me. I called and waiting for a call back Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

11-25-2016, 02:25 AM	#61
Witt51 Drives: Black 2ss Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 232	Thanks. I need luck and a lot of it. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

11-25-2016, 02:33 AM	#62
Potent SS Drives: 2014 Camaro 2SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Chicago Posts: 51	I am a Chicago native and I can tell you 2 shops that are top notch. I myself had excellent experiences with them. First would be Nickey in St. Charles, Stefano is the owner... he is really great 630-377-1222. Speed inc in Schaumburg would be my second go to.. Tony the manager is also a great guy 847-891-0767....I know Pro Stock John uses this shop quite a bit... hope this helps Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-25-2016, 02:38 AM	#63
Witt51 Drives: Black 2ss Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 232	I will look into those places also. It be just really good to get some thoughts and ideas. Talking to guys on here have given a good starting point but with my look nothing is ever that easy Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

11-25-2016, 11:36 AM	#66
Witt51 Drives: Black 2ss Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 232	LSX that's exactly the answer I needed to know. Thank you. I can count that part out. I know you know these engines in and out. I've read that some people say you do and some say you don't. I'm not an expert on this so I'm trying to learn what I should and shouldn't do. I want to just drive the car and enjoy it Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

11-25-2016, 12:00 PM	#67
Witt51 Drives: Black 2ss Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 232	Here is a question about push rod length. When picking length do pick based on preload or the valve train geometry? Would you sacrifice valve wipe being off a little to get the correct preload? Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk