2010 Berger Chevrolet SS Camaro

[WMCC Doug]

Originally Posted by dave5514

I wonder who is doing the custom chambered exhaust. I hope it is GMMG, I have their chambered exhaust on my 98 Z-28 and it sounds asweome!

It's not GMMG this time. But it sounds very similar. The system is made by a Michigan company the builds custom exhaust systems.

I have the GMMG exhaust on my Berger/GMMG Hot Rod Magazine Edition Camaro (it came with the HRE package) and they do sound great. This new system sounds great, too.

[WMCC Doug]

Originally Posted by CamaroTransAmFAM

the wheelz R ugly but for $19,000 i think, no disrespect to Berger,they should offer a whole lot of options.is it me or is it some companies R trying 2 capitalize on the popularity of the Camaro,they slap on a supercharger,a few badges & raise the price by $10,000 or more i should try it myself maybe i could get rich quick i'll pass on this 1 but i still love the Camaro

I understand what you're saying here, but .......

There are a few things you should consider. First, Berger is not just another company trying to capitalize on the popularity of the new Camaro. They are a Chevrolet dealership that's been in business since 1925 (and owned by the Berger family that whole time). They have a high performance history going back to the '60's doing 427 engine swaps and selling COPO Camaros and other hi-perf Chevrolets. They have been involved with motorsports since the 60's as well.

But more recently, they sold limited edition Camaros beginning in 2000 with a Berger 75th Anniversary SS. They continued the limited edition SS cars for 2001 and 2002 finishing with about 100 Berger SS special edition Camaros. They also did 69 2002 ZL1 Supercar Camaros, 37 Hot Rod Magazine Ltd. Ed Camaros and about 30 Dick Harrell wide body Camaros. These cars were built as a joint project with GMMG. The 5th Gens are being built in-house, right at the dealership.

They have found that putting together a complete package for an already fully optioned Camaro SS is what most buyers want. When they build them all the same, they can then source the special parts in quantities. i.e. 20 superchargers, 20 sets of wheels, 20 shifters, etc.

Someone might be able to build a car themselves with these same components for less money, but 10-25 years from now, what do you have? A modified Camaro that you built yourself. With these Berger Camaros, you have a limited edition, numbered collector car. The 4th Gen Berger Cars have held their value far better than any other "regular" Camaro and are bound to be future collector cars that will probably go up in value down the road. It's reasonable to expect the same thing from these 5th Gen Berger Editions. They've got the history and track record to back these up.

Granted, they are not for everybody. And there won't be a lot of them to go around, anyway. The initial batch will be 20 cars (of which about half already have deposits down on them)

I'm surprised so many people don't like the wheels?????? They are Forgeline, hi-dollar wheels. ??

[25thanniversary]

everything is expect the bow tie not digging the bow tie

[DkknightX]

Originally Posted by WMCC Doug

I understand what you're saying here, but .......

There are a few things you should consider. First, Berger is not just another company trying to capitalize on the popularity of the new Camaro. They are a Chevrolet dealership that's been in business since 1925 (and owned by the Berger family that whole time). They have a high performance history going back to the '60's doing 427 engine swaps and selling COPO Camaros and other hi-perf Chevrolets. They have been involved with motorsports since the 60's as well.

But more recently, they sold limited edition Camaros beginning in 2000 with a Berger 75th Anniversary SS. They continued the limited edition SS cars for 2001 and 2002 finishing with about 100 Berger SS special edition Camaros. They also did 69 2002 ZL1 Supercar Camaros, 37 Hot Rod Magazine Ltd. Ed Camaros and about 30 Dick Harrell wide body Camaros. These cars were built as a joint project with GMMG. The 5th Gens are being built in-house, right at the dealership.

They have found that putting together a complete package for an already fully optioned Camaro SS is what most buyers want. When they build them all the same, they can then source the special parts in quantities. i.e. 20 superchargers, 20 sets of wheels, 20 shifters, etc.

Someone might be able to build a car themselves with these same components for less money, but 10-25 years from now, what do you have? A modified Camaro that you built yourself. With these Berger Camaros, you have a limited edition, numbered collector car. The 4th Gen Berger Cars have held their value far better than any other "regular" Camaro and are bound to be future collector cars that will probably go up in value down the road. It's reasonable to expect the same thing from these 5th Gen Berger Editions. They've got the history and track record to back these up.

Granted, they are not for everybody. And there won't be a lot of them to go around, anyway. The initial batch will be 20 cars (of which about half already have deposits down on them)

I'm surprised so many people don't like the wheels?????? They are Forgeline, hi-dollar wheels. ??

Those wheels are hideous and I'm not paying $19,000.00 more for a piece of paper that says "Berger Chevrolet" and aftermarket parts available to all hardly makes anything about this car unique. Those days of trying to build something proprietary and then acceptably marking it up like that are long gone. This isn't the 60's anymore buddy. The internet is a powerful tool that empowers and enables many car enthusiasts to research and purchase aftermarket performance much cheaper than this $19,000.00 package upgrade Berger is trying to sell. Those smart enough will stay away from these cars but like anything on eBay, they will eventually sell, but to those either lazy or don't quite have the grasp of that whole "interwebz" thing yet.

[tom692010]

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

So did you factor in the supercharger, the rims and tires, all of the suspension up grades, exhaust and etc..or did you just see a supercharger on that list? there is more to modding a car than just adding horsepower and torque..nice first post by the way

yeah your not being sarcastic! Better go back to this weekend and see the rant by your fellow moderators.I guess that doesn't include you right. Your setting a great example. maybe your fellow mods should be sending you a warning e-mail.

[DkknightX]

Originally Posted by tom692010

yeah your not being sarcastic! Better go back to this weekend and see the rant by your fellow moderators.I guess that doesn't include you right. Your setting a great example. maybe your fellow mods should be sending you a warning e-mail.

Dude, that is just the way he is. I wouldn't take it personally.

[tom692010]

Originally Posted by WMCC Doug

I understand what you're saying here, but .......

There are a few things you should consider. First, Berger is not just another company trying to capitalize on the popularity of the new Camaro. They are a Chevrolet dealership that's been in business since 1925 (and owned by the Berger family that whole time). They have a high performance history going back to the '60's doing 427 engine swaps and selling COPO Camaros and other hi-perf Chevrolets. They have been involved with motorsports since the 60's as well.

But more recently, they sold limited edition Camaros beginning in 2000 with a Berger 75th Anniversary SS. They continued the limited edition SS cars for 2001 and 2002 finishing with about 100 Berger SS special edition Camaros. They also did 69 2002 ZL1 Supercar Camaros, 37 Hot Rod Magazine Ltd. Ed Camaros and about 30 Dick Harrell wide body Camaros. These cars were built as a joint project with GMMG. The 5th Gens are being built in-house, right at the dealership.

They have found that putting together a complete package for an already fully optioned Camaro SS is what most buyers want. When they build them all the same, they can then source the special parts in quantities. i.e. 20 superchargers, 20 sets of wheels, 20 shifters, etc.

Someone might be able to build a car themselves with these same components for less money, but 10-25 years from now, what do you have? A modified Camaro that you built yourself. With these Berger Camaros, you have a limited edition, numbered collector car. The 4th Gen Berger Cars have held their value far better than any other "regular" Camaro and are bound to be future collector cars that will probably go up in value down the road. It's reasonable to expect the same thing from these 5th Gen Berger Editions. They've got the history and track record to back these up.

Granted, they are not for everybody. And there won't be a lot of them to go around, anyway. The initial batch will be 20 cars (of which about half already have deposits down on them)

I'm surprised so many people don't like the wheels?????? They are Forgeline, hi-dollar wheels. ??

Not the wheels but Berger Cars Can't be that valuable. I've never seen one being auctioned off at Barrett Jackson auctions. And yes if it's worth that much it would have been auctioned off there.

[WMCC Doug]

Originally Posted by tom692010

Not the wheels but Berger Cars Can't be that valuable. I've never seen one being auctioned off at Barrett Jackson auctions. And yes if it's worth that much it would have been auctioned off there.

There has actually been a few Berger 4th Gens go through B-J auctions. You must have missed them. But, you're missing what I'm trying to say. The Berger cars are holding their value better than an equivalent non-Berger Camaro. Say a 2002 SS vs. a 2002 Berger SS. They've consistently brought a few thousand dollars more on the used market than a "regular" version. I'm not saying they are worth more than they cost yet, but have the potential to get there someday. Only time will tell.

DkknightX,

I'm not trying to start a pissin' match here, ....... buddy. Just giving a little background on Berger for those not familiar with them. They will appeal to a certain type of buyer, but not everyone.

Of course, not everyone likes the same thing, and that's good. Otherwise, everyone's Camaro would look exactly the same. I would like one, but it's just not gonna be in my budget now that I'm retired. I would probably go with a white one, though, not yellow.

[pwrhungry]

Have any of you thinking this is a good deal modded a car before? And who on here actually pays retail for any of there mods but yet you list them all at retail. All the big names in performance I would name of Berger is not on that list so paying extra for that name is not impressive what-so-ever.

Could of sworn somewhere on here a company is installing single turbo kits for under $7k for the first few. There is allso that company doing the N/A thing for around the same price installed. Do you not think for 10K plus you can do some wheels and suspension!

[SomeGeoffGuy]

Props to Berger for stepping up with this awesome package! If someone is planning on doing this level of mods, they should totally be putting some money down on this.

And for all you naysayers, do you think the guys making turbo kits will stand behind the factory warranty after you put their kit on? Do you think the dealer you bought the car from will warranty the trans or rear if you bust them with that turbo kit? To get this kind of performance and have a dealer back it is well worth the price.

-Geoff

[GRAHL]

Originally Posted by DkknightX

Those wheels are hideous and I'm not paying $19,000.00 more for a piece of paper that says "Berger Chevrolet" and aftermarket parts available to all hardly makes anything about this car unique. Those days of trying to build something proprietary and then acceptably marking it up like that are long gone. This isn't the 60's anymore buddy. The internet is a powerful tool that empowers and enables many car enthusiasts to research and purchase aftermarket performance much cheaper than this $19,000.00 package upgrade Berger is trying to sell. Those smart enough will stay away from these cars but like anything on eBay, they will eventually sell, but to those either lazy or don't quite have the grasp of that whole "interwebz" thing yet.

It's all in the name, or "collector car" status. Since the internet is so empowering, haven't you learned the value of collector cars? My '69 will smoke nearly any factory tuned car of the day, but is it worth more than a Berger, Nicky, Dana, Baldwin-Motion or Yenko? Nope. And the extra $$ you're flipping out about is probably how much your car will depreciate in less than 2 years. Meanwhile the Berger will likely hold its own value, especially if there are only 20 made. Just something to think about before you call other people "not smart enough", "lazy", or "no grasp of the interwebz"

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by tom692010

yeah your not being sarcastic! Better go back to this weekend and see the rant by your fellow moderators.I guess that doesn't include you right. Your setting a great example. maybe your fellow mods should be sending you a warning e-mail.

Why thank you I don't think I better do anything and just know that there is a great check and balance system when it comes to moderating this site. So why dont you follow the example of staying on topic in this thread, like everyone else.

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by pwrhungry

Have any of you thinking this is a good deal modded a car before? And who on here actually pays retail for any of there mods but yet you list them all at retail. All the big names in performance I would name of Berger is not on that list so paying extra for that name is not impressive what-so-ever.

Could of sworn somewhere on here a company is installing single turbo kits for under $7k for the first few. There is allso that company doing the N/A thing for around the same price installed. Do you not think for 10K plus you can do some wheels and suspension!

Berger IS on MY list. If I was in the market for a modded car, one has Berger emblems on it for 50g's, the other has no name on it for 45g's, but was built by pwrhungry in his garage.... I'll take the Berger car.

Originally Posted by DkknightX

Those wheels are hideous and I'm not paying $19,000.00 more for a piece of paper that says "Berger Chevrolet" and aftermarket parts available to all hardly makes anything about this car unique. Those days of trying to build something proprietary and then acceptably marking it up like that are long gone. This isn't the 60's anymore buddy. The internet is a powerful tool that empowers and enables many car enthusiasts to research and purchase aftermarket performance much cheaper than this $19,000.00 package upgrade Berger is trying to sell. Those smart enough will stay away from these cars but like anything on eBay, they will eventually sell, but to those either lazy or don't quite have the grasp of that whole "interwebz" thing yet.

See response above

Originally Posted by tom692010

yeah your not being sarcastic! Better go back to this weekend and see the rant by your fellow moderators.I guess that doesn't include you right. Your setting a great example. maybe your fellow mods should be sending you a warning e-mail.

Your personal attack belongs in PM or off topic.


P.S. I LIKE those wheels!

[GTAHVIT]

Junkie for Mod of the year.