2010 Camaro SS or BMW 328i COUPE

[headpunter]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

just for the record BMW's are better engineered than Benz's.

it takes alot more effort to get 415hp out of a 4.0L than it does to get 450hp out of a 6.2L. And you show me a Benz engine that can rev to 8400rpm and we'll talk about engineering.

it also takes alot more smarts to know that 415hp from a 4l motor is useless considering it has less then 300ftlbs.......thats why mercedes is the smarter car....there is a line between better engineering and overengineering with no benefit....bmw crossed that line....thats why the $80k m5 looses to the $60k CTS-V because the interior is nicer and the car is faster. Just because you Can put a throttlebody on every cylinder doesnt mean it makes a better motor.....

[apkraven]

camaro looks better. if not camaro, i would be ordering myself a hyundai genesis coupe..

[roadtripper]

The 3 series line-up is getting a slight update (for 2010 I think?). Here is their ,new to the US, diesel model which is the first of the 3 series to get the face lift - out now I believe. Even with this update, I prefer the looks of the Camaro. The Audi A5/S5 however, is a lot closer to the Camaro as far as great looking cars go.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by headpunter

fail

Camaro

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by headpunter

it also takes alot more smarts to know that 415hp from a 4l motor is useless considering it has less then 300ftlbs.......thats why mercedes is the smarter car....there is a line between better engineering and overengineering with no benefit....bmw crossed that line....thats why the $80k m5 looses to the $60k CTS-V because the interior is nicer and the car is faster. Just because you Can put a throttlebody on every cylinder doesnt mean it makes a better motor.....

Let me do some math for you.

Camaro 420hp 400lbs 0-60 in 4.6-4.8

M3 415hp 275lbs 0-60 in 4.3

How? well BMW conserved weight across the entire car and along with saving over 100lbs on the small V8, the engine revving to 8400rpm allows longer acceleration.

Big difference between Engineering and Power

Now your argument that the NEW CTS-V beats the OLD M5... the car it was DESIGNED to beat, is almost pointless. About the same as arguing the Camro is better than the 09' mustang. The V is an amazing car, and the LS engines are great powerplants, but great cars stay on top and set the bar for years. Lets see if the V is still on top after the new M5 comes out.

[zebra]

Originally Posted by 09'Z28

...i would go for an E46 M3 instead (better looking IMO)

+1

if it's based on looks, Camaro - hands down. i like body curves on women & body lines on cars.

[Georgie]

Originally Posted by headpunter

it also takes alot more smarts to know that 415hp from a 4l motor is useless considering it has less then 300ftlbs.......thats why mercedes is the smarter car....there is a line between better engineering and overengineering with no benefit....bmw crossed that line....thats why the $80k m5 looses to the $60k CTS-V because the interior is nicer and the car is faster. Just because you Can put a throttlebody on every cylinder doesnt mean it makes a better motor.....

exactly. thank you

[SdustinK]

That is why i decided to get a 09 335i coupe which i get tommorow instead of the camaro that i have to wait till end of the summer pshhh Gm is way to slow

[Georgie]

shoulda waited

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by SdustinK

That is why i decided to get a 09 335i coupe which i get tommorow instead of the camaro that i have to wait till end of the summer pshhh Gm is way to slow

Originally Posted by Georgie

shoulda waited

completely different cars.

[Supermans]

I really don't like the way the BMW looks and never will. I also don't like the Mercedes vehicles look as well.. To me I see too many of them on the road and all it screams to me are people that are stuck up on themselves.. The Camaro is the poor man's Corvette but still upper class compared to the smaller escort types...

[diddiyo]

Originally Posted by Beelzebubba

European cars really suck to work on.

I would bet 90% of carbuyers won't ever work on their own car. that includes me. i wouldn't know how to replace a headlight-bulb...

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by diddiyo

I would bet 90% of carbuyers won't ever work on their own car. that includes me. i wouldn't know how to replace a headlight-bulb...

i had to change the headlights on my gf's mothers benz a couple weeks ago.


what a pain in the @$$. not at all user friendly.

[SdustinK]

Originally Posted by The_Beast_

Beemers are a sorry excuse for German engineering. These are the guys whos applications to work at Porsche or Benz got denied, so they all got together and made all these sad sad cars. And the people that drive them are the ones who couldn't afford Benzos and Porsches.

The Beemer Hunter has spoken.

BTW: Camaro Looks more badass. Beemer looks like a toy.

You obviously never driven one