Manual Owners

[wylde1]

with modern syncros and such double clutching is kindof redundant. You might see a bit of a difference doing it on a track so you don't bark the tires when downshifting into a corner, but i doubt it helps alot.

Now if you can avoid the clutch in the upshift your shaving time off your shifts and that's a huge benefit in racing. and unless your a professional riverdancer, blipping the throttle with the clutch in to match revs is MUCH faster than double clutching.

I'm not very good at it in a car, but on my bike I would never have to touch the clutch unless I was at a standstill. it's the same principal though. Keep it WOT and when your getting ready to shift just put light pressure on the shifter, as you roll off the throttle to shift you'll feel the tranny "let go" of the shifter to get it out of gear, that moment is when it's lined up and ready for the next and if you've got pressure on the shifter already just keep it there and that'll click it in for you. Double clutching the downshift helps you keep traction on the wheels (provided you picked the right gear)

[camarorad]

Originally Posted by wylde1

with modern syncros and such double clutching is kindof redundant. You might see a bit of a difference doing it on a track so you don't bark the tires when downshifting into a corner, but i doubt it helps alot.

Now if you can avoid the clutch in the upshift your shaving time off your shifts and that's a huge benefit in racing. and unless your a professional riverdancer, blipping the throttle with the clutch in to match revs is MUCH faster than double clutching.

I'm not very good at it in a car, but on my bike I would never have to touch the clutch unless I was at a standstill. it's the same principal though. Keep it WOT and when your getting ready to shift just put light pressure on the shifter, as you roll off the throttle to shift you'll feel the tranny "let go" of the shifter to get it out of gear, that moment is when it's lined up and ready for the next and if you've got pressure on the shifter already just keep it there and that'll click it in for you. Double clutching the downshift helps you keep traction on the wheels (provided you picked the right gear)

bike is a totally different kind of transmission, its sequential, that's why you can do that. I also don't use the clutch on my bike (except for 1-2), but its a different problem in cars. In cars you have a chance of grinding the gears if your engine speed is not matched properly- no chance of this in the bikes sequential box.

And double declutching is completely separate from rev matching (or heel and toe-ing). Its not like one is better than the other. They have different purposes.


EDIT: I meant I don't use the clutch on my bike for upshifting except for 1-2...don't try it downshifting

[BigZmuscle]

Originally Posted by ljustin293

he keeps it in first

I don't understand this double clutch at all.... what's the benefit?

ok to help u understand double clutching a little more when most cars with no torque when they are racing and are starting to lag on their 4th gear or so they just start popping the clutch in and leting it go asap its kinda like kicking the clutch while ur other foot is still on the gas which makes the rps jump higher and makes u go a lil quicker. the only bad thing about this is that if u do this a lot u kill your clutch. if u have ever seen a clutch there are 4 springs in it and all this slapping of the clutch wears those springs down and at one point they break and there u go u have to pay for a new clutch.

[Bbrock25]

I've been around dirt bikes/motorcycles etc etc all my life, but this was my first manual car. The first week I did get the lugging just a bit on shifts, but within the first 2 weeks I got the hang of it and its np anymore.

As far as double clutching, sometimes I will but not too often, a time or two a week. As it is not needed, so I never seen the point in it.

Just a quick question, sometimes I go from 4th, slow down to 10 maybe 15mph, (during the slowing down process its normally in neutral) I put it in 2nd, blip the throttle a bit to get the rpms up just a hair, and let out. This serves as the same purpose w/o the double clutching. It won't hurt anything will it? I never really thought twice about it till now.

[balthazar]

Originally Posted by camarorad

bike is a totally different kind of transmission, its sequential, that's why you can do that. I also don't use the clutch on my bike (except for 1-2), but its a different problem in cars. In cars you have a chance of grinding the gears if your engine speed is not matched properly- no chance of this in the bikes sequential box.

And double declutching is completely separate from rev matching (or heel and toe-ing). Its not like one is better than the other. They have different purposes.

Heel-toe is a whole other ball of wax, that is essentially only for downshifts, and only for braking hard before a turn. It's more to solve the problem of needing three feet, than doing work the transmission should (or shouldn't0 be doing.

[Big Brunsy]

Originally Posted by AdnanHfuda

shifting?

I know on the International straight truck I drive from time to time you actually can't use the clutch to shift gears except for when you HAVE to. such as starting/stopping or going from low range to high range.
and if you missed a gear, u better believe ur coming to a complete stop just to get it back into a gear.....yeah the tranny is kinda messed up but when ur used to the shifting it's actually alot smoother than when it was working properly