2014 Camaro Z/28 pricing announced at $75,000

[Doubleblank]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

I would agree. Yet anyone interested in simply having a fast track car, can spend $55Gs on a superbly capable ZL1, replace its (rather average) street tires with R-comps for say $1500, another $1000 for easy weight reductions (follow the z28 list - except for rear the windshield of course - but don't necessarily stop there) and have more HP and Torque to beat up on the Mustangs with. As to the brakes, note what technology pro racers use.
As far as aero, many aftermarket solutions exist, just watch a Conti Challenge in TV. All in all: likely less than $60Gs and $15+ grand to spare on track/school fees.
Anyhow, that's what I would do, or perhaps just buy a (more capable?) c7 Z51 (for thousands less) since if this is supposed to be a pure track car, the rear seat is just a weight balast (since rear passengers are not allowed on track, note Boss 302 LS had its seat out).
Just my thought trying to come to grips with the $75 price tag and its advertised use as a track "weapon".
But I suspect most of these cars will become "museum" cars, sitting on display as limited production art pieces for rich and famous, or become investment tools for those that flip such cars for profit. Not exactly what I would refer to as going back to z28 "roots". But that's just my humble opinion as an enthusiast.

I fully understand making a "bang for the buck" argument when talking about fast track cars and what's the best way for ________ (put your name here) to go fast on whatever your budget is. I completely get it. But I used the word "unique" in the last sentence in my previous post for a reason. Guys running used Spec Miatas and Corvettes set up for track days are at every track every weekend. And they will be fast. But you will likely be the only guy running a Z28 when at the track and that will be part of the fun, at least to me (but you're listening to a guy with a "look at me" paint job running an ERL 500 cu in motor in a trackable car). Plus, even if tracked and assuming you keep it off the wall, a used Z28 will likely hold it's value better than your C6 ZO6 that has had the crap beat out of it at the track. But this last statement is pure conjecture.

[35th02ss]

Originally Posted by Houston94vert

$75k


2013 Corvette Z06 is $75,600.00 and has A/C and a radio. So technically cheaper.

So how do they justify Z28 pricing? You can't say it's the same costs to put this motor package in a corvette body (which is about 20k more then camaro body) and expect people to pay the same price? That is crazy talk.

I'd say $60-65k should have been the msrp, and that's shooting high.

You have to know your being suckered at this point.

This dosn't have the normal Camaro body on it. Futhermore this car has 40% parts that are new just for the Z/28. GM basically engineered a new car. That costs a ton of money.

[35th02ss]

My question to a lot of you that are not happy with the price is this...

1. If the car was around 65K would you buy it then?
2. What would be your purpose for the car? Weekend warrior, tack car or DD or just to say you have a Z/28. If your answer is anything other then track car then this isn't the car for you.

The sole purpose of this car is to be used on the track. Unlike the 1LE or ZL1. Those can be driven has a DD and go to the track. The Z/28 all though is street legal and can be driven on the street is not meant to be driven like your other Camaro's......

GM didn't just slap some stuff on a Camaro and call it a Z/28. They built a new Camaro almost from the gound up.......

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Doubleblank

I fully understand making a "bang for the buck" argument when talking about fast track cars and what's the best way for ________ (put your name here) to go fast on whatever your budget is. I completely get it. But I used the word "unique" in the last sentence in my previous post for a reason. Guys running used Spec Miatas and Corvettes set up for track days are at every track every weekend. And they will be fast. But you will likely be the only guy running a Z28 when at the track and that will be part of the fun, at least to me (but you're listening to a guy with a "look at me" paint job running an ERL 500 cu in motor in a trackable car). Plus, even if tracked and assuming you keep it off the wall, a used Z28 will likely hold it's value better than your C6 ZO6 that has had the crap beat out of it at the track. But this last statement is pure conjecture.

Well said! No doubt the z28 is very unique. And so is its price
Just hope like heck nobody purchases one with an automatic assumption they will "blow all other cars to kingdom-come" LOL! Given a ZL1 was ONLY 3 seconds slower at GM's own testing track, one shod in R-comps will likely give it one heck of a run for its $18,000 price premium. Just a speculation of course.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

No flame intended either, but as we (should) all know, R comps are more demanding to drive on vs streets (by and large), so if folks were getting in trouble with ZL1 on "streets" with a staggered set up, expect more folks losing it on R comps with the z28 with a square set up, trying to find its limits

Exactly my point concerning the ZL1 had it been available with a looser setup. Hell, I can get my car with only 325-ish torque to throttle steer in 3rd gear at 40 - 45 mph without having to try all that hard, and when I try to translate that to putting a couple hundred more ft-lbs in the hands of someone with zero performance driving experience, not even autocross, I am not at all surprised by the way the ZL1 was configured. Even ST has limits to what it can correct for. A still looser Z/28, well . . .


Norm

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

No flame intended either, but as we (should) all know, R comps are more demanding to drive on vs streets (by and large), so if folks were getting in trouble with ZL1 on "streets" with a staggered set up, expect more folks losing it on R comps with the z28 with a square set up, trying to find its limits:
wider front tire will make the car understeer less, meaning it will oversteer more, meaning it will be less forgiving at the limit. Hope GM will include free track schools for all z28 owners

I believe its been said to break away smoothly at its limit.

[Wizard1183]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Well said! No doubt the z28 is very unique. And so is its price
Just hope like heck nobody purchases one with an automatic assumption they will "blow all other cars to kingdom-come" LOL! Given a ZL1 was ONLY 3 seconds slower at GM's own testing track, one shod in R-comps will likely give it one heck of a run for its $18,000 price premium. Just a speculation of course.

Youre only paying the it's uniqueness and because its a limited production car named "Z/28." Thats all. Take a 1LE, strip it, and spend $25-30k on it using Z/28 parts ect and 9/10 you could spank the car around a track.

And dont say you wont be able to get Z parts. They made the car, ppl will need to buy every part the car consists of if they wish. So tires, rims, aerodynamics, brakes, shocks ect can be purchased. (In the future of course) Though Im sure there will be a premium on the parts, you'll still be able to purchase them.

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by 35th02ss

This dosn't have the normal Camaro body on it. Futhermore this car has 40% parts that are new just for the Z/28. GM basically engineered a new car. That costs a ton of money.

If GM engineered z28 as a "new car" it wouldn't weigh 3800+ pounds and its Corvette motor would make a lot more power than it did in z06. Having said that, GM did a very nice job overall enhancing an existing car, including adding Multimatic's suspension (likely the best "part" of the car IMO). But, if anyone buys it to "reign supreme" at track events they might get a heck of a surprise when a C6Z flies by them at the same price.
And then a C7 Z51 at 17 grand less. And quite possibly a ZL1 on R comps at a similar discount. To be honest, I expected the z28 to cost LESS then the ZL1. So, would I buy it at 65Gs? No. Because I'd buy a Vette (for track) and still have 10 grand left in my wallet. Or buy a ZL1 and spend 2Gs (max) on better tires. In closing, if somebody buys the z28 as an "excusive statement of uniqueness" - all the power to them, as there is no such thing as "value" in art. But if they spend that kinda money on it as a dedicated track car, my response would be different, given the aforementioned choices from GM.
However, we live in a free society, so my opinions are just a single voice and it is certainly great to have all those choices! And hey, if I had enough $ I'd buy one each of all of them. But instead I am just enjoying my C5Z - for now anyway

[Col. Brain]

Originally Posted by The Stig

They will make no more than 4,000.

and i hope they build them all!

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I believe its been said to break away smoothly at its limit.

I assume that's with a driver who is somewhat familiar with driving up toward the limits of it as well as a few other cars.


Norm

[mkorgan]

Originally Posted by Col. Brain

and i hope they build them all!

no inside info but I bet it is <2500...

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I believe its been said to break away smoothly at its limit.

To add to the previous reply, this assumes the driver is aware where the limit is. A square set up is defo looser than staggered and as such requires more skill to drive fast. It might be faster than staggered, but only in seasoned hands. PS It is the choice of many Vette racers, but not all.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

To add to the previous reply, this assumes the driver is aware where the limit is. A square set up is defo looser than staggered and as such requires more skill to drive fast. It might be faster than staggered, but only in seasoned hands. PS It is the choice of many Vette racers, but not all.

Don't the C5 and C6 have an issue with snap over-steer at the limit?

[backtotintops]

Originally Posted by Zfatuated

You can't legally operate a fully caged car on the street.

you know i am totally with you zfat but this is wrong...I have had 2 cars with scca legal cages and plates in VT, CT & NY. They started as regular cars and were built in to race cars...even ran the license plates at the runoffs!