2014 Camaro Z/28 pricing announced at $75,000

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Don't the C5 and C6 have an issue with snap over-steer at the limit?

I think any car can exhibit this if pushed too far. But not aware of c5/c6s being somehow prone to it anymore than other cars. Personally I think a c5 is a superbly balanced car and pretty easy to drive (at the limit). Even given its now aged design it is still regarded as one of the best track choices/values.

[FISHTAIL]

This is all very nice but GM lost me at 75k.

The only good thing about this is that the average joe that doesn't know much about cars, might confuse my humble SS with a $75,000 Z28

[Zfatuated]

Originally Posted by backtotintops

you know i am totally with you zfat but this is wrong...I have had 2 cars with scca legal cages and plates in VT, CT & NY. They started as regular cars and were built in to race cars...even ran the license plates at the runoffs!

And I built a full cage GT3RS on which I maintained street insurance/registration and license tag while it's mission in life was a 100% track car. Had I ever been pulled over on the street driving it to the gas station, it likely would have been impounded and/or confiscated. A full cage car is not legal, by DMV standards, to be street driven.

Not to mention it's just dumb because all that cromoly tubing around your unhelmeted head will kill you on the street just as quick as it will save your helmeted self on track. Yes, I was dumb to drive mine on the street the very few times I did.

Furthermore, if you have a full cage you do not want any airbags popping off in the cabin. So if you've done the proper thing and disabled your airbags to keep from hurting you and costing you money if you wreck on track, now you are doubly-street illegal.

"Knowledge is knowing how to do something, wisdom is knowing not to."

[Col. Brain]

Originally Posted by FISHTAIL

This is all very nice but GM lost me at 75k.

The only good thing about this is that the average joe that doesn't know much about cars, might confuse my humble SS with a $75,000 Z28

or the average joe will look at the z/28 and call it "another camaro"

The more i think on it - 75k is not bad.

Z06s started out in the 70k range and did not have carbon ceramic brakes (those came way later).

fbod is saying there is a better time coming. If it hits 7:29 or quicker in the "ring" - then it is back to a "value chevy" Porsche GT2 or 3 (or whatever the f they are called) are 110-120k. Those run mid 7:20s to low 7:30s.

911 Turbo - double this cost
GT-Rs now push 100k
Vipers are 100k cars


The Cobra R adjusted for inflation is a 71k car today

Hell fully loaded trucks cost north of 60k now. Inflation is a bitch

[BlackinBlack]

Interesting thread and there seems to be a ton of dissatisfaction on the price.

It is obvious why GM built the Z/28. It was built to bring back the Z/28 as the most collectable and fastest track edition 5th Gen Camaro. It was not designed for a racing series so it is not a true race car. It is not based on the historical Z/28 or Z28 of old. (If it was based on the 60s Z/28 I would expect 5 Liter high winding motor not a 7 Liter engine and a volume/ price that most could afford.) As for the 4 and 3 gen Z28 that spot was filled by the SS.

So what did they build? Again not a pure race car, or an insane street car but a limited edition collectable unique version of the 5th Gen Camaro. It reminds me of the Buick GNX vs GN or the Firebird TTA vs GTA. Very cool very expensive versions of great cars. With the GNX Vs GN it took very little to make a GN faster than a stock GNX. Today the GNX is far more collectable. This car is for that purpose. I do not expect to see many if any 2014 Z/28 driven on the road (or track for that matter.) They will be bought by collectors that will put them in garages.

[i2disturbedSS]

Originally Posted by Novie LE

Missed the point again. I don't care for a ls7 1le that costs 60k. The question here is why does it cost 30k for Gm to put a ls7 in?

Still a few pages behind but look at the corvette in 2006. Comparing the Camaro now yes two different cars but base price for a corvette was around 43k, a Z06 was 65k. I was in HS when that debut but don't think anyone was arguing about the price. Then the Z51 package for the Corvette came for $1700. Still the corvette fans knew if they wanted a LS7 - hand built limited production engine - then they pay the premium or a Z06. You are asking why the mark up compare it to history with the corvette.
...

I still think this price is fair. This 2014 Z/28 is a machine which only a few will enjoy. But other "old skool" ppl like to think they are entitled to a car like this.

In 2010 I knew a Z/28 was coming - just was a matter of time because of the economy. Dealers told me no they won't. But just told them just wait. Since I'm young and more custom to the 4th gen fbody I thought the Z/28 will be the entry level performance without the lux. A lil bird later said it will be supercharged! Bad ass I thought. I want one. However it will be above the Super Sport - no big deal cuz I knew most of the history of the Camaro. Just thought this will confuse ppl like in the 2000s when "SS" was on everything.

Turn out to be the supercharge Z/28 was the ZL1 with MRC-wow! Well no more Z/28...wrong back to drawing board. Fast forward to 2013 and Z/28 pricing was in the mix. Around 65k I thought. January 2014 and 75k was the official price. Damn! More then I though but still FAIR. Out of my reach - hell yeah it is! Still I love it and not bash it. For it is the ultimate Camaro to date. A Camaro for everybody. Something to strive for. Maybe taking parts from here and there and putting a twist on your own Camaro.

To the the ppl who disagree that's ok - but look at the bigger picture. There could be no Camaro.(just like the firebird , just gone. Which was my first and favorite out of the two). So don't disrespect but respect to disagree and keep the brotherhood and remember Camaro

...now back to work for me and I will keep reading cuz i like to hear the opinions and comments of others.

[mikel441]

I knew this car was going to be expensive, but what disappoints me. No blue of any kind on the color choices.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by macwest

sorry nothing to do with clout, bad wording. Just having enough cash and in hand... average joe 75K is tough and most don't have it in hand. with limited production , at least in cali, dealer markup will be huge. Limited runs seem to favor the rich. However, with a unlimited run you know eventually you will be able to get one and it would be around

No my wording is spot on. I have the cash to buy a Z/28 and so do my two friends that want them. I also had the cash to buy a ZL1 too when they came out. Because I didn't have the right Clout, it made it very hard to do so, and I'm sure that the Z/28 will be much harder to attain even if you have the cash on hand. Cash in hand doesn't always mean you get what you want when someone with more Clout and the cash wants one too. I found that out the hard way.

[macwest]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

tell it to your elected officials!

I appreciate what you have done its a hell of alot more then most of our elected officials do for us and at it shows GM listens to what we want.

Hopefully I will be able to find one and be able to afford it. If not at least with a 427 in a production camaro in cali that means there is a path to put a smog legal 427 in a 2010 camaro

Originally Posted by motorhead

No my wording is spot on. I have the cash to buy a Z/28 and so do my two friends that want them. I also had the cash to buy a ZL1 too when they came out. Because I didn't have the right Clout, it made it very hard to do so, and I'm sure that the Z/28 will be much harder to attain even if you have the cash on hand. Cash in hand doesn't always mean you get what you want when someone with more Clout and the cash wants one too. I found that out the hard way.

Did not realize. In cali every dealership told me sorry we had one and it is already spoken for. After months of this I said forget it and built up my 2010.

[6910]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

Greg -- thank you for your kind words -- and for your thoughtfulness.

I - and the team - DO get your point.

What I think we're trying to do is to bring the Z/28 back to it's original purpose - and that is to find mustangs on a road course and eat them. No - I'm not saying that this car is set for SCCA rules - what I AM saying is that this car is an amazing driving machine - and on a road course it will blow cars costing many times more to kingdom-come.

NOW - that said -- and I've mentioned this before:

no matter WHAT we do with the Z28 or Z/28 moniker - we alienate some people. For too many years we've alienated the original Z/28 enthusiasts by using the nameplate on a much more mainstream Camaro. To some that's a good thing.......and for a lot of years, they were happy. The reality is that it's time to honor the nameplate by taking it back to its roots.

Yes-- it's expensive - but I invite you to drive a new 1LE or an SS or a ZL1 - and you'll see that we've built a Camaro for 'every purse and purpose" (to use a quote from one of our founders - Alfred Sloan.......

I DO hear what you're saying - but when the final numbers from Nurburgring are published - and the final production numbers are announced - I think - or hope - that you'll see where we're coming from - and that the decisions we make are never easy ones --

We sweat EVERY DECISION because we know we'll get blistered no matter what.

Hope to see you again this year!

I will be there! I finally finished my 69, painted it ABM to match my 2010 including 2010 replica stripes which leaves the back of the rear spoiler for customizing. I'll be using this space for a graphic which will tie the two cars together and will be asking you to sign it for me.

Thanks for your gracious answer. I do get your point about returning to its roots as a non-mainstream car. The hard part is explaining to those of us who owned the later 2nd, 3rd and 4th gen Z28s that they are too exclusive of a car for anyone to drive anymore. This new Z/28 went even beyond it's roots. People did drive 1st and early 2nd gen Z/28's on the road including me. I had an early 2nd gen Z/28 for 14 years. It was my daily driver in college no less. One could argue that so few 67 Z/28s were built that a good % really were raced on the transam circuit but by 69 most were on the street.

I later drove an 01 Z/SS until you guys delivered my 10 2SS. Even then I immediately stated that I would get a Z/28 as soon as GM produced (yes the Z/28 mystic still runs deep in this one). Even though I respect it, I will pass on this car and buy a Z/28 when GM hopefully offers it as a street car that is raceable. I do have good choices to enjoy driving in the mean time

[Dr. Evil]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Don't the C5 and C6 have an issue with snap over-steer at the limit?

Generally speaking, no. Tire choice and alignment play a role in this as much as anything.
By far the worst car I've ever driven that would snap away from you is a 930. They are legendary for it. The other is a factory five cobra replica. That cobra is a hinge car, it will swap ends quick and there is no catching it.

A square setup on my C4 was incredibly neutral at the limit, even on race rubber. Hoosiers don't tend to give much warning when they are at the limit anyways, they just say "that's it for me, I'm out" and you are in the grass.

[MBS]

I just do not understand all the complaining on the price of the Z-28 $75,000 is high but it shares the same suspension as a 1.5 million dollar car , and is the ONLY car doing so as far as I have heard , And I heard it might take down the C6 also.
There is a Camaro for everyone's wallet from under $25K to now around $80K for the Z and every price range in between , And still it costs less than a lot of cars in the same range a lot less . We all should be Happy with what Camaros we can afford and quit being so unreasonable because your wallet can not afford this car, Be happy this car will take down a Lambo and Por-she etc

[LOWDOWN]

Overlooked, publicly, in all this chat is a true predecessor. Anyone remember hearing about the GM-Canada Motorsports/Player's Challenge race series conceived and managed by GM-Canada, that ran from 1986-'92?

1) It spawned the original 1LE Camaro and Firebird

2) It spawned the sedan-racing careers of Ron Fellows, David Empringham, and Scott Maxwell, as well as many others, with guest appearances by Paul Tracy and Scott Goodyear, amongst others...

3) Each car showed up at the local dealer, brand new...with a roll cage and racing seat and harness already installed...and included on the A4Q- or R7U-equipped window sticker

4) A/C not included

5) $5,000 for 1st Place, per race, pretty decent money in the late-'80s

http://cartersclassicmusclecars.com/...g%20series.htm

http://www.playerschallengeseries.ca/

Now THIS would make owning a Z/28 "interesting", if GM proposed such a deal, again...



(the original option code was directed @ Mustang owners in Canada: "Eh! 4Q!")

[OldScoolCamaro]

...sour grapes again for me here...GM got it ass backwards between the ZL1 and the Z/28...I know all the specs...., it's a long story and we know it to a T. No preaching needed. So be it, it is what it is. I am still bummed. Let me pout still.