2014 Camaro Z/28 pricing announced at $75,000

[Mikebrinda]

Originally Posted by mikel441

I knew this car was going to be expensive, but what disappoints me. No blue of any kind on the color choices.

I agree. No blue.

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by MBS

I just do not understand all the complaining on the price of the Z-28 $75,000 is high but it shares the same suspension as a 1.5 million dollar car , and is the ONLY car doing so as far as I have heard , And I heard it might take down the C6 also.
There is a Camaro for everyone's wallet from under $25K to now around $80K for the Z and every price range in between , And still it costs less than a lot of cars in the same range a lot less . We all should be Happy with what Camaros we can afford and quit being so unreasonable because your wallet can not afford this car, Be happy this car will take down a Lambo and Por-she etc

A slight correction: I don't believe the z28 "shares the same suspension" as the 1.7mil Aston Martin. It is however only the second car to adopt dynamic dampers capability. But there is no magic to it, as race car crews have been using it to dial in dampers for individual tracks/conditions for a long time. But do note, that this capability won't come with a z28 as the damper rates will be pre-set in a factory (as far as I know). So end result is the same as with any other suspension. What clearly sets this car apart is the tires. The Pirellis are as close to a full racing slick as a street legal rubber gets, being rated 50 "tread" (don't be surprised if they cord after 5 or 6 days of running hard at a track). So all comparisons to other cars including ZL1 at Milford (3 seconds) are somewhat muddy, unless the comparison was done using the same tires. Then and only then one could look at the difference (in lap time) and see how much faster it is due to suspension, aero, brakes, etc. Until that happens tread carefully re your expectations as you may get smoked by a "lesser" car but with better rubber - yet having paid a huge premium for the privileage. At least that's what I would do - and no, I don't blindly drink anybody's marketing koolaid - so, apples to apples please and thank you!
BTW anyone knows what the actual Milford laptime was, besides the "3 seconds faster" comment? Thanks!

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

BTW anyone knows what the actual Milford laptime was, besides the "3 seconds faster" comment? Thanks!

Here you go:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=323450

[G-Oil Guy]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

...sour grapes again for me here...GM got it ass backwards between the ZL1 and the Z/28...I know all the specs...., it's a long story and we know it to a T. No preaching needed. So be it, it is what it is. I am still bummed. Let me pout still.

How did they get the ZL1 and the Z/28 "ass backwards" please?

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Here you go:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=323450

Thanks very much! Awesome thread. So 2.87 seconds between a z28 on "uber" R comps and ZL1 on streets. As somebody suggested in the thread above (amd I would agree), putting R comps on a ZL1 ought to be good for 3 seconds or so.
So there we have it, apples to apples albeit not scientifically by any means...So what is the 18 grand premium for?

Anyone has a Milford time for C7 Z51???

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Thanks very much! Awesome thread. So 2.87 seconds between a z28 on "uber" R comps and ZL1 on streets. As somebody suggested in the thread above (amd I would agree), putting R comps on a ZL1 ought to be good for 3 seconds or so.
So there we have it, apples to apples albeit not scientifically by any means...So what is the 18 grand premium for?

Anyone has a Milford time for C7 Z51???

Why not go for an even better deal? The 1LE is only 2.2 seconds behind the ZL1 and it's $20K less than the ZL1. I'm sure the tires add a good bit, however (my guess) not as much as you'd like.

[daveagogo1]

Awesome. Cannot wait.

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Why not go for an even better deal? The 1LE is only 2.2 seconds behind the ZL1 and it's $20K less than the ZL1. I'm sure the tires add a good bit, however (my guess) not as much as you'd like.

Agree, but it likely needs motor mods to keep up. I am just trying to clarify 75 grand z28 vs 57 grand zl1 on the same tires, car to car and no mods (pretty much can guess the outcome).

Also interested to see how the c7 z51 compares (stock) at Milford.
Can't find any posted times for any Vettes...Thanks!

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Agree, but it likely needs motor mods to keep up. I am just trying to clarify 75 grand z28 vs 57 grand zl1 on the same tires, car to car and no mods (pretty much can guess the outcome).

Also interested to see how the c7 z51 compares (stock) at Milford.
Can't find any posted times for any Vettes...Thanks!

I'd like to see that as well.

[MBS]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

A slight correction: I don't believe the z28 "shares the same suspension" as the 1.7mil Aston Martin. It is however only the second car to adopt dynamic dampers capability. But there is no magic to it, as race car crews have been using it to dial in dampers for individual tracks/conditions for a long time. But do note, that this capability won't come with a z28 as the damper rates will be pre-set in a factory (as far as I know). So end result is the same as with any other suspension. What clearly sets this car apart is the tires. The Pirellis are as close to a full racing slick as a street legal rubber gets, being rated 50 "tread" (don't be surprised if they cord after 5 or 6 days of running hard at a track). So all comparisons to other cars including ZL1 at Milford (3 seconds) are somewhat muddy, unless the comparison was done using the same tires. Then and only then one could look at the difference (in lap time) and see how much faster it is due to suspension, aero, brakes, etc. Until that happens tread carefully re your expectations as you may get smoked by a "lesser" car but with better rubber - yet having paid a huge premium for the privileage. At least that's what I would do - and no, I don't blindly drink anybody's marketing koolaid - so, apples to apples please and thank you!
BTW anyone knows what the actual Milford laptime was, besides the "3 seconds faster" comment? Thanks!

Thanks for the correction but if this article is right it sounds like it is a more adjustable than what you are saying excuse me for my ignorance in this subject .......
According to those involved in the Z/28′s development, the unique suspension configuration features what’s called a dynamic suspension spool valve (DSSV) dampening system. The setup allows compression and rebound of the shocks to be dialed in at the factory for optimal performance. For the most part, such a system has been reserved for motor sports vehicles (“real” race cars), but considering the hard-core nature of the new Z/28, it might as well be one.

Compared to a conventional damper that offers only two-way tuning for compression and rebound, a spool-valve damper allows four-way adjustment to precisely tune both compression and rebound settings for high speeds and low speeds. The wider tuning range allowed engineers to dramatically increase the damper stiffness on the Camaro Z/28 without a significant change in ride quality. There’s also significant weight savings seen with the use of DSSV over GM’s proven Magnetic Ride Control (MRC) setup.


Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/03/...#ixzz2pgBv4GwQ

[Zfatuated]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

I would agree. Yet anyone interested in simply having a fast track car, can spend $55Gs on a superbly capable ZL1, replace its (rather average) street tires with R-comps for say $1500, another $1000 for easy weight reductions (follow the z28 list - except for rear the windshield of course - but don't necessarily stop there) and have more HP and Torque to beat up on the Mustangs with. As to the brakes, note what technology pro racers use.
As far as aero, many aftermarket solutions exist, just watch a Conti Challenge in TV. All in all: likely less than $60Gs and $15+ grand to spare on track/school fees.

I don't want to re-build a car, I want a turn-key track car. One that is dependable and fast.

You can do that re-build, you seem to know exactly what's needed. How many of these track car builds have you done so that we know you've validated and proven this concept of transforming the ZL1 into a more durable, faster, cheaper track car?

There seems to be several folks who feel as you do, my suggestion is go build what you propose, prove the value proposition, and earn your credibility. Otherwise, the flapping of lips with nothing to show for it is getting mighty tiresome to listen to.

Originally Posted by TrackClub

No flame intended either, but as we (should) all know, R comps are more demanding to drive on vs streets (by and large), so if folks were getting in trouble with ZL1 on "streets" with a staggered set up, expect more folks losing it on R comps with the z28 with a square set up, trying to find its limits:
wider front tire will make the car understeer less, meaning it will oversteer more, meaning it will be less forgiving at the limit. Hope GM will include free track schools for all z28 owners

No, "we" do not all know that.

I actually have experience street and track driving Trofeos. In fact I wore through several sets of the original Trofeo before the R's were released. Then I went through several sets of the first Trofeo R's that were released in the US. From what you wrote it obvious you have no idea what you are talking about in regards to this tire. It's is as progressive at the limit as any street tire and probably more so than most. That is the fact from experience.

There is nothing inherent in a square set-up to make it any more of less prone to "losing it".

Tire contact patch is but one of very many variables that affect handling and balance. To say that having a wide front tire will make a car less forgiving at the limit is ridiculous as a blanket statement.

Your insinuation that the tire setup on the Z/28 is dangerous is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Just hope like heck nobody purchases one with an automatic assumption they will "blow all other cars to kingdom-come" LOL! Given a ZL1 was ONLY 3 seconds slower at GM's own testing track, one shod in R-comps will likely give it one heck of a run for its $18,000 price premium. Just a speculation of course.

Who would make that assumption? I don't recall reading it being thrown about frequently? In fact I've never read it on this forum? So, who is making that assumption? That would be "you".

You are starting up again with this ZL1 comparison, yet anyone who is serious about buying a Z/28 is crystal clear on the difference, and GM has taken great pains to explain the differences. Yet you continue to try and flog the ZL1 as the car to buy?

Originally Posted by TrackClub

But, if anyone buys it to "reign supreme" at track events they might get a heck of a surprise when a C6Z flies by them at the same price.
And then a C7 Z51 at 17 grand less. And quite possibly a ZL1 on R comps at a similar discount. To be honest, I expected the z28 to cost LESS then the ZL1. So, would I buy it at 65Gs? No. Because I'd buy a Vette (for track) and still have 10 grand left in my wallet. Or buy a ZL1 and spend 2Gs (max) on better tires. In closing, if somebody buys the z28 as an "excusive statement of uniqueness" - all the power to them, as there is no such thing as "value" in art. But if they spend that kinda money on it as a dedicated track car, my response would be different, given the aforementioned choices from GM.

Dude! WTF? Where do you come up with this crap?

"reign supreme"
"excusive statement of uniqueness"

Who, other than you, is saying this stuff?

Go buy the 'Vette. Go buy the ZL1. Why haven't you already done so?

Originally Posted by TrackClub

To add to the previous reply, this assumes the driver is aware where the limit is. A square set up is defo looser than staggered and as such requires more skill to drive fast. It might be faster than staggered, but only in seasoned hands. PS It is the choice of many Vette racers, but not all.

Here you go again. Cite references from racecar engineering literature supporting your blanket, standalone statement that "A square set up is defo looser than staggered and as such requires more skill to drive fast. It might be faster than staggered, but only in seasoned hands.". We'll wait...

What a crock of crap.

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Until that happens tread carefully re your expectations as you may get smoked by a "lesser" car but with better rubber - yet having paid a huge premium for the privileage.

Here we go yet again. I don't know what I would do without your effort to save me from myself? Why would you even think of trying to frame a discussion in this manner? What potential Z/28 owner thinks like that? And how the F would you know it? Because nobody here has posted anything remotely close to what you are portraying as fact.

And again (whew) you try to frame the entire value proposition of the Z/28 as boiling down to a comparison to the ZL1 and three seconds of lap time. Why would you do that?

After reading your posts, I have a theory and it is that there is something other than kindness and goodwill towards man behind the persona you attempt to portray in this forum. I think you are a crafty little troll. I'll let the fullness of time prove this theory right or wrong.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

So what is the 18 grand premium for?

At $60.00/lb for all that fatty protein NOT included...



Keep in mind the ZL1 has a 4 model year lifespan, probably totalling close to 25,000 units. The Z/28? 18 months, max, and 1/10 the volume...

[MarkSS]

I think that a lot of the sentiment here is based on the economic fact that the Z/28 is priced beyond what many of us can reasonably pay. I would love to have one, and would definitely use it as it is intended, but it is beyond what I can afford. That said, I would have a hard time deciding between it and a Z51 Stingray for nearly $20k less. In the future, it is more likely that I will own a Z51 Stingray because there will be more of them available at an almost certainly lower resale price.

Still, I am very glad Chevrolet is building this car. It is a testament to the engineering team and is the maximum out of this platform. I hope there is something comparable available in the next gen of Camaro as well, even if it is also priced beyond my reach.

Thanks Camaro Team... you did a great job. (If you have a spare set of spool valve dampers, you could send them my way....)

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by Xlr8ion

Also is red hot bright red or an off red??

It's fire engine red and it's also offered in the Cruze with the same name.