IPF Camaro V6 vs Procharger Mustang V6 (Soon)

[JantzenOKC]

It's about time.. the wifey needs go fast parts too!

[MagnumForceGB]

Originally Posted by JantzenOKC

It's about time.. the wifey needs go fast parts too!

Tired of her 13 second bolt-on Mustang V6 in my 12 second garage, needs to change.

[JantzenOKC]

Originally Posted by MagnumForceGB

Tired of her 13 second bolt-on Mustang V6 in my 12 second garage, needs to change.

Well you better not buy her too many parts then, she might pass the 12's right on by!

[MagnumForceGB]

Originally Posted by JantzenOKC

Well you better not buy her too many parts then, she might pass the 12's right on by!

I hope so, her car should easily be in the 11's when we get the supercharger. Her car should be low 13's right now if she got more practice, her 60' times are 2.2 seconds. Every time her car shifts into 2nd gear it starts to spin, going to give her a softer shifting tune till she learns how to do a proper burnout. She should get good practice time next year, this year she was just too busy with work since they were experimenting with gene therapy on cancer cells.

I've been doing a lot of reading about how to tune the transmission side of torque management, got a good understanding of it now. Not going to remove all of it but will be experimenting at the track. Want enough to where it doesn't break momentum by pulling timing but not enough to break the tires free and spin.

I'm starting to like this Bosch ECU, it almost acts like an object-orientated program, something I work with at work. You don't get to directly control anything but you request what you would like the engine to do. If you change one table it might not actually work since another table could be overriding it.

[MagnumForceGB]

Almost got my MAF Frequency dialed in, the idle is 0.60% off. After that I'm going to try to smooth out the timing, it fluctuates way too much.

Now the bad news, in September I sold my stock wheels and tires to a kid going through college, he asked if he could pay $100 a month. Over the next 2 months he kept coming up with excuses about why he couldn't pay and now he has me on ignore. He could find money to buy headlights and other crap for his car, so now I have to file a small claims against him. I have the entire conversation saved so I will have full physical evidence on my side, but it really pisses me off.

[HP Turbine]

That sucks. Pay him a visit. Let him know there is more than one way to use a lug wrench.

[JantzenOKC]

That's why I never let people pay things out. Never worth the hassle.

[MagnumForceGB]

Just pisses me off to no end since his dad is prior USAF and I'm prior USAF, apparently kids have zero respect today. Probably thinks that because I own nice stuff that I haven't earned it and wants to take what I have for free. Trying to decide if it is worth getting a lawyer to make sure everything is in order. The value of the wheels and caps were $380, the court costs will be around $60, then another $50 to serve him the papers.

Today is going to be a warm day so I'm going to install some Lower Control Arms for the 5.0 and see about fixing the exhaust after the headers. Right now I'm running gutted cats, I had straight pipes before but they were leaking. I found some band clamps at the local auto store so I can maybe fix it to where they won't leak. That mod should gain me 6,000 HP and I will be able to keep up with Brittany Force so I can get her phone number.

[MagnumForceGB]

I patiently waited 4 months for the kid to pay, but within 5 hours of me threatening him with a small claims suit I get paid in full. I had to take a hard stance though because he lied, said he deleted his facebook account when I could see it clearly on my alt accounts, tried to play dumb when I told him that. Now that it is over, less stress on me and I can keep saving up more money for my wife's Procharger kit.

[Lombardi]

Originally Posted by MagnumForceGB

I patiently waited 4 months for the kid to pay, but within 5 hours of me threatening him with a small claims suit I get paid in full. I had to take a hard stance though because he lied, said he deleted his facebook account when I could see it clearly on my alt accounts, tried to play dumb when I told him that. Now that it is over, less stress on me and I can keep saving up more money for my wife's Procharger kit.

Sucks the route it took but glad you got your money

[MagnumForceGB]

So bored with this cold weather, it is below freezing so I can't start up my car, Vortech doesn't recommend it.

Might have found a way to supply more fuel to the LLT through tuning. Does anybody know if the HPFP is the same between the LFX and LLT? Mostly the cam lope, are there 3 lopes driving the HPFP per 720 degree of crank rotation?

[Can't_C_Me]

Originally Posted by MagnumForceGB

So bored with this cold weather, it is below freezing so I can't start up my car, Vortech doesn't recommend it.

Might have found a way to supply more fuel to the LLT through tuning. Does anybody know if the HPFP is the same between the LFX and LLT? Mostly the cam lope, are there 3 lopes driving the HPFP per 720 degree of crank rotation?

The HPFP pump isn't the same and the cam that runs the pumps are different. But the lopes on the LFX is in theory the reason the LFX flows more.

There is a HPFP pump that does push more fuel to the engine. But the fuel lines do need to be bent manually and it's a tight fit. I'll have Derrick explain better and correct me if wrong as he was the one that did it.

[Jason@JacFab]

If you are able to change pumps, the LF3 hpfp is what you'd want to go with, assuming it can mount to the LLT. I know fuel line modifications are required (mentioned above), and something to do with a lash pad?

Not much help, sorry

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by MagnumForceGB

So bored with this cold weather, it is below freezing so I can't start up my car, Vortech doesn't recommend it.

Might have found a way to supply more fuel to the LLT through tuning. Does anybody know if the HPFP is the same between the LFX and LLT? Mostly the cam lope, are there 3 lopes driving the HPFP per 720 degree of crank rotation?

Originally Posted by Can't_C_Me

The HPFP pump isn't the same and the cam that runs the pumps are different. But the lopes on the LFX is in theory the reason the LFX flows more.

There is a HPFP pump that does push more fuel to the engine. But the fuel lines do need to be bent manually and it's a tight fit. I'll have Derrick explain better and correct me if wrong as he was the one that did it.

The LLT and LFX do use two different HPFPs. I not compared the lobes on the cams between the two engines (just the LFX and LF3), but I think the difference is more likely the stoke in the pump piston and the height of the lash cap (greater travel). The reason I think this is that the driver lobes on the LFX and LFX are the same but the LFX pump has higher volume. In order to get it to work on my LFX we had to change the lash cap to accommodate the different stoke.

I can't tell you anything about what's available in HPTuners for the LLT, but I can tell you what we've done with the LFX engine and LF3 HPFP. Basically what happens is that the power curve is rising faster in the middle RPMs than the pump can keep up with (worse for us turbo guys) and you start losing rail pressure. Even though you are pumping a lot more fuel at higher RPMs, it isn't enough to both supply fuel for the higher demand and to recover from the deficit during the mid-RPM range. The key is to control the timing of ejector events during the lower and middle RPMs so you never see that deficit. I'm not sure what all you can control on the Bosch ECU, but look for tables that deal with the timing, frequency and pulse width of the injectors. Send that info to Ryan (Rhino79) at GPI and see if he can help you optimize it. If you still need more fuel after that (and you are going to want more at some point), then see about putting a LF3 fuel pump on there and just skip over the LFX pump. I'm not sure the ECU can control either, but you will have way more fuel with the LF3 if you can. We are making 600 RWHP on an unlocked converter (probably over 650 if locked) without using the supplemental fuel system...just the ZL1 in-tank pump and LF3 HPFP.