tvs 1900 OR tvs 2300???

[VRMMMM]

Well, if I can get 520-550rwhp with my LS3, with just w 1900 and CAI . . I would be sold. Need to see some proof of this. Been saving for a 2300, I need to be convinced.

[VRMMMM]

Originally Posted by MTI Racing

VRMMM, I agree. The internet can give information overload.
BlownChevy is right on.

We have successfully been using the 1900 in our Corvettes for several years. We even had a 2300 on our engine dyno to see what it was capable of. We chose the 1900 kit on 427cu.in LS7 Corvette with big cam and seriously ported heads to generate 720 rear-wheel hp. That's 800-850 crank hp with a 1900. The 1900 is PLENTY capable of moving air.

We were already installing our MTI Racing 1900 kit on Camaros way before Magnacharger brought the 2300 kit to public. We supplemented our 1900 with cam, headers and Cold Air. It was very impressive. When their 2300 kit came out, we were equally impressed. They are both great kits.

To help make a distinction,
** I would suggest the 1900 for use up to, and including camshaft and longtube headers.
** Stroker motors, HUGE cams, and ported heads deserve the 2300.

In a marketing culture of "bigger is better", we sell both systems. Human nature will still buy the 2300 because it is available, and there is nothing wrong with that, but the 1900 spools up faster, gives faster low end torque, and won't run out of air unless you go BIG.

This same dilemna existed with Holley carbs many years ago.
"WHY SHOULD I USE A HOLLEY 600 WHEN A 850 DOUBLE-PUMPER WILL FIT?"

To the OP, I say 1900.

Call us if you have any questions.

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Thank you MTI, you just made me feel much more comfortable going with the small blower on my car.

I agree with some other posts, that you can't go wrong with either, I just want the best for my application, and I dont need to overkill my daily driver.

[2010 Bumblebee]

Originally Posted by MTI Racing

We have successfully been using the 1900 in our Corvettes for several years. We even had a 2300 on our engine dyno to see what it was capable of. We chose the 1900 kit on 427cu.in LS7 Corvette with big cam and seriously ported heads to generate 720 rear-wheel hp. That's 800-850 crank hp with a 1900. The 1900 is PLENTY capable of moving air.



In a marketing culture of "bigger is better", we sell both systems. Human nature will still buy the 2300 because it is available, and there is nothing wrong with that, but the 1900 spools up faster, gives faster low end torque, and won't run out of air unless you go BIG.

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Does the 1900 run/get hotter than the 2300?

How much low end difference is there and is there any loss at top end compared to the 2300? Any dyno charts?

When someone is ready for a 416(?) stroker block, CAI, & Headers will the 1900 still do the trick ?

What about logevity? will the 1900 last just as long as the 2300 ?

Are both the 1900 and the 2300 coming with good and up to date tunes for the stock 2010 camaro L99 motor?

Slapped on a stock L99 will anyone notice the difference between the 1900 and the 2300? What will they notice ? Heat? Sounds different ? Power? Throttle Response?

Are they both using the same belt setup?

Looks wise, do the look the same? Anyone have a picture of a 1900 and 2300 to compare the looks?

What about the installations? Are the exactly the same? Do the kits come with the exact same stuff like hardware, tuner, tunes, same size heat exchanger? Does one fit better on the motor? is the 1900 easier to handle placing it on the motor?

Any differences between lines, hoses, throttle bobody matching to the stock airbox, access of the bolts, quality of the hardware that come with both kits?

Shaft and bears wise, are they both using the same size shafts and bearings? Do they both have the same exact design except for displacment?

Is one built better than the other ???

What's the price difference between the two these days?

Oh, and I believe it could take 12 hp more to turn the bigger blower at 6000 RPMs..

[MTI Racing]

Originally Posted by 2010 Bumblebee

Does the 1900 run/get hotter than the 2300?

How much low end difference is there and is there any loss at top end compared to the 2300? Any dyno charts?

When someone is ready for a 416(?) stroker block, CAI, & Headers will the 1900 still do the trick ?

What about logevity? will the 1900 last just as long as the 2300 ?

Are both the 1900 and the 2300 coming with good and up to date tunes for the stock 2010 camaro L99 motor?

Slapped on a stock L99 will anyone notice the difference between the 1900 and the 2300? What will they notice ? Heat? Sounds different ? Power? Throttle Response?

Are they both using the same belt setup?

Looks wise, do the look the same? Anyone have a picture of a 1900 and 2300 to compare the looks?

What about the installations? Are the exactly the same? Do the kits come with the exact same stuff like hardware, tuner, tunes, same size heat exchanger? Does one fit better on the motor? is the 1900 easier to handle placing it on the motor?

Any differences between lines, hoses, throttle bobody matching to the stock airbox, access of the bolts, quality of the hardware that come with both kits?

Shaft and bears wise, are they both using the same size shafts and bearings? Do they both have the same exact design except for displacment?

Is one built better than the other ???

What's the price difference between the two these days?

Oh, and I believe it could take 12 hp more to turn the bigger blower at 6000 RPMs..

Bumblebee,
Other than the physical head unit length difference of only "1-body rib". The systems are the SAME.

Does the 1900 run/get hotter than the 2300? (so small it is negligible)-SAME What about longevity?-SAME Are both coming with good and up to date tunes?-SAME Heat?-SAME Sounds different?-SAME Both using the same belt setup?-SAME Looks wise, do the look the same?-SAME What about the installations?-SAME Do the kits come with the exact same stuff.-SAME Does one fit better on the motor?-SAME Is the 1900 easier to handle placing it on the motor?-SAME Any differences between lines, hoses, throttle bobody matching to the stock airbox, access of the bolts, quality of the hardware that come with both kits? -SAME Same size shafts and bearings?-SAME , but the shaft on the 1900 is "1-body rib" shorter. Is one built better than the other ???-SAME Price difference?-SAME

Do they both have the same exact design except for displacement? -YES.



As far as power goes, HERE IS A SIMPLISTIC EXPLANATION:
The two systems will make the same peak power on stock engine, BUT the smaller 1900 will respond with boost quicker, hence the power comes on quicker. Imagine the same power numbers, but it starts approximately 500-700 rpms earlier. So the power you felt at 3500rpms will come on at approximately 3000rpms. This means the car accelerates earlier in the powerband.

Each engine's performance will vary. As I stated to VRMMM earlier, the Internet can cause information overload. It is good to have information, but perhaps it is better to laydown the microscopic dissection of the product, and just be happy and enjoy the new power.


So, I'll restate my distinctions:
** I would suggest the 1900 for use up to, and including camshaft and longtube headers.
** Stroker motors, HUGE cams, and ported heads deserve the 2300.

Hope this helps!


Feel free to call us for more assistance with Magnacharger products.

[Ltdodge]

based on mti's explanations and just 1 day running with my 2300 i am glad i picked the 2300 over the 1900. i dont want the boost to come at 3K rpms for everyday driving. given the fact that the 2300 spools up at 3.5K for a daily driver i prefer it for my style of driving...

[2010SSRSM6]

This thread if full of great info. Thanks guys!!!

[2010 Bumblebee]

Originally Posted by MTI Racing

As far as power goes, HERE IS A SIMPLISTIC EXPLANATION:
The two systems will make the same peak power on stock engine, BUT the smaller 1900 will respond with boost quicker, hence the power comes on quicker. Imagine the same power numbers, but it starts approximately 500-700 rpms earlier. So the power you felt at 3500rpms will come on at approximately 3000rpms. This means the car accelerates earlier in the powerband.

Each engine's performance will vary. As I stated to VRMMM earlier, the Internet can cause information overload. It is good to have information, but perhaps it is better to laydown the microscopic dissection of the product, and just be happy and enjoy the new power.


So, I'll restate my distinctions:
** I would suggest the 1900 for use up to, and including camshaft and longtube headers.
** Stroker motors, HUGE cams, and ported heads deserve the 2300.

Hope this helps!


Feel free to call us for more assistance with Magnacharger products.

Thanks for your replies.

Ok, so slapped on a stock L99 with everything factory GM the Maggie 1900 makes the same power as the Maggie 2300, but comes on sooner.

Is the fuel milage any different because the boost is coming on sooner?

Why wouldn't anyone want more power sooner? The sooner you get your power the faster you are going to get down the track !

Are the quarter mile times the same on a stock L99 with both units?

Is it the same HP and Torque for both? or is the torque a little less? And what might that be for both with the canned magnusion tune on an L99? 530HP/500 FT-LBs at the crank?

Is the power cure the same once the two power curves meet at about 3500 RPMs ?

At the top end, 5500-6000 RPMs, does the 1900 drop and hp/tq compared to the 2300 on a stock L99?

Looks wise you are saying that they look practically the same except one blower is shorter than the other. So they are the same height, but the 1900 is shorter? Does the 1900 hook up to the stock airbox just fine? It's shorter in the back right ?

What about the pulley size and blet slipage? Is the front pulley smaller on the 1900 to spin it faster, or is it the same size as the 2300 and this is taken care of somewhere else like on the backside?

Someone on "the other thread" was saying that the 1900 without headers makes the same power as the 2300 with headers. Is there any truth to that?

The only thing I'm really looking to do is put a supercharger on my L99 stock camaro. It sounds to me like the 1900 is a better deal for the same power because it's like $1000 cheaper isn't it ?

Does the 1900 come with the same warantee? Isn't it 100,000 miles / 5 years or something like that on the supercharger?

I could picture myself adding a CAI, LT headers and exhaust some day, but not before the supercharger. Will the 1900 still be good these mods?

At the most extreme "for me" I could see my self with the stroker 416-418 block, mild cam like the stock L99 or LS3 cam, 10:1 -10.5:1 compression, stock heads, CAI intake, LT headers and exhaust. Would the 1900 still do the trick ?

[old motorhead]

If you have any thoughts of doing a stroker engine, you need to bolt the 2300 on there. Your heads, stock, are better than ported versions of just a few years back. Add a cam and extra cubes and you have an engine that really wants to breathe. A 2300 can have boost available just as quick as a 1900. I think the differences some folks see are due to the 1900 usually spinning faster (smaller blower pulley). I have a 2.9" blower pulley on my 2300. When I hit the resume botton on my cruise control, I see as much as 2psi just for an instant. That's at 1300 rpm. How much quicker do you need it?

[2010 Bumblebee]

Originally Posted by old motorhead

If you have any thoughts of doing a stroker engine, you need to bolt the 2300 on there. Your heads, stock, are better than ported versions of just a few years back. Add a cam and extra cubes and you have an engine that really wants to breathe. A 2300 can have boost available just as quick as a 1900. I think the differences some folks see are due to the 1900 usually spinning faster (smaller blower pulley). I have a 2.9" blower pulley on my 2300. When I hit the resume botton on my cruise control, I see as much as 2psi just for an instant. That's at 1300 rpm. How much quicker do you need it?

I'm not an expert, but I'd have to agree with you. The 1900 is probably spinning faster thus already boosting and if I want upside the 2300 has more to offer.

What would have to be done to the 2300 if I sliped a stroker 418 with a mild cam under everything ? Just change the pulley?

Do the maggies , the 1900/2300, come with boost gauges?

[Ltdodge]

Is the fuel milage any different because the boost is coming on sooner?

i dont know about the fuel, but the last three days with my maggie i have seen my city fuel mileage drop from 16.5 to 12.5 mpg.....

i need to get my foot off of it, but its hard not to

[2010SSRSM6]

Originally Posted by Ltdodge

i dont know about the fuel, but the last three days with my maggie i have seen my city fuel mileage drop from 16.5 to 12.5 mpg.....

i need to get my foot off of it, but its hard not to

Man I hope my wife doesn't see this post.

[Jessika]

I have a 1900 on my 6.0 and I saw my freeway mileage go from 21 - 23.5 with cruise set at 73. And anyone who is in Cali knows that there is nothing flat around here.

But I do average 16 combined. It seems that my foot can not keep from flooring the go-pedal. I used to get <15 with the same driving.

ick. After this past weekend I saw 8mpg after hitting the Mulholland/Latigo canyons.

[audiomikej]

I would love to do a TVS1900 with a +1 pulley, CAI, and tune. I like the sound of the supercharger and would speculate the TVS1900 would be a little noisier than the TVS2300 at the same 7 PSI power level.

[Jessika]

I dont think the 1900 is louder, but because it comes into boost sooner you hear the whine sooner than with the 2300.

But you could cog drive it and make either of them SCREAM!