V6 Supercharger or Turbocharger?

[hollywoodGU]

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

Also alot of people kill their turbos by not letting the car run at idle for about 1 minute before shuting of the engine. You have to remember to do that or you will ware it out.

Im pretty sure thats why you get a turbo timer???

[MerF]

Originally Posted by hollywoodGU

Im pretty sure thats why you get a turbo timer???

And again, like I said in response to that post, turbo timers are a myth....a fad...a facade...whatever you want to label it they are worthless.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by MerF

And again, like I said in response to that post, turbo timers are a myth....a fad...a facade...whatever you want to label it they are worthless.

I figured when I read that post that I'd let you come answer it.

Still going to go roots if I ever go forced induction.
- Xanthos

[GMRedline]

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

If nobody comes out with a supercharger kit for it, I may just have one custom made. I was looking at using the Eaton 1900 - didn't realize they had a 1320 version.

They also make a 1650. I have not seen any vehicle specific applications for it yet. The problem with developing an FI kit for a budget minded platform is that it has to be affordable.

Using components from other platforms is a smart way to do it. You can pick up used M90s and M62s for a few hundred dollars.

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

I'm only looking for 5-6 psi of boost, so the 1320 would definitely be enough, or even the 1050 (to save underhood space).

If you are considering the 1050 I would recommend picking up a used M62. In the TVS naming convention the M62 would be considered a 1000. In a month you will be able to find them on Cobaltss.net for under $300.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by GMRedline

If you are considering the 1050 I would recommend picking up a used M62. In the TVS naming convention the M62 would be considered a 1000. In a month you will be able to find them on Cobaltss.net for under $300.

Are they as efficient when not producing boost, though?

From what I was reading on mangnusons website, they new TVS blowers use less than 1 horsepower when not in "boost mode" - this really appealed to me because I didn't want to negatively affect fuel economy - if anything I wanted to improve it when I drop in the lower CR pistons.

Like I said though - this will be at least 4-5 years down the road. No need to worry about it now.
- Xanthos

[CamaroScotty]

TURBONATOR!

[GMRedline]

Originally Posted by MerF

And again, like I said in response to that post, turbo timers are a myth....a fad...a facade...whatever you want to label it they are worthless.

^^^^That's not true.

A turbo timer gives time for the turbo to cool itself down after the car is parked. If you were in your car and did several WOT runs then parked the car you could run into some problems if you didn't give the turbo time to cool.

The oil inside the turbo will get "baked" and "clot" up which could plug up your oil passages. Not to mention the insane amount of stress from heat you place on the turbo components like the seals, bearings and turbine shaft. NOT GOOD!

That being said, not every tc'd car has to have a turbo timer. A smart driver would make sure to drive his vehicle long enough to give the turbo enough time to probably cool down before shutting it off.

But not every driver is a smart driver.

[GMRedline]

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

Are they as efficient when not producing boost, though?

From what I was reading on mangnusons website, they new TVS blowers use less than 1 horsepower when not in "boost mode" - this really appealed to me because I didn't want to negatively affect fuel economy - if anything I wanted to improve it when I drop in the lower CR pistons.

Like I said though - this will be at least 4-5 years down the road. No need to worry about it now.
- Xanthos

We can continue this conversation in 4-5 years then! lol

[MerF]

Originally Posted by GMRedline

^^^^That's not true.....

Here's my earlier post I asked people to read:

Urban myth. If that were true then factory cars would come standard with turbo timers. Yet there are Saabs and Volvos that have been turbo for 20 yeas and still run fine. Now if you just went balls-to-the-wall long enough to get your EGTs way up there, then yeah you want to let it cool, but as long as you didn't shut it off immediately after a run there's nothing to worry about.

In other words...yes if you make runs that get your EGTs built up then you need to let the engine and turbo cool down. Chances are if you just ran the 1320, you have to drive back to the pits. That idle time alone back to the pits is enough. Basically the only time that you would have to make the conscience effort to not shut the engine off after hard running is dyno tuning. And if you are savvy enough to tune a car on the dyno but not let it cooldown, I think you deserve what's coming to you.

Turbo Timers are a ricey fad...it's the turbo equivalent to large wings on the trunk for downforce. It sounds legitimate until you actually examine it.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by MerF

Here's my earlier post I asked people to read:



In other words...yes if you make runs that get your EGTs built up then you need to let the engine and turbo cool down. Chances are if you just ran the 1320, you have to drive back to the pits. That idle time alone back to the pits is enough. Basically the only time that you would have to make the conscience effort to not shut the engine off after hard running is dyno tuning. And if you are savvy enough to tune a car on the dyno but not let it cooldown, I think you deserve what's coming to you.

Turbo Timers are a ricey fad...it's the turbo equivalent to large wings on the trunk for downforce. It sounds legitimate until you actually examine it.

Not to mention that putting rear-located downforce on a front wheel drive car is not only useless, but counter productive.

As for continuing the conversation in 4-5 years - its never to early to start working on a plan for a major investment. Especially when I'd rather buy the parts over time than all at once later on.
- Xanthos

[GMRedline]

Originally Posted by MerF

Here's my earlier post I asked people to read:

Urban myth. If that were true then factory cars would come standard with turbo timers. Yet there are Saabs and Volvos that have been turbo for 20 yeas and still run fine.

Again that is not 100% correct. There is not one factory implementation of a turbo setup that pushes the turbo to its maximum limit. Any probably sized turbo or supercharger can run within it efficiency range all day long and not create enough heat to cause problems.

The problem arrives when people push these power adders past their efficiency range and don't take the proper steps to allow the components to cool down.

Originally Posted by MerF

Basically the only time that you would have to make the conscience effort to not shut the engine off after hard running is dyno tuning. And if you are savvy enough to tune a car on the dyno but not let it cooldown, I think you deserve what's coming to you.

There are other situations where turbo timers are useful.

Lets say your driving to work and in the last mile some riced out civic pulls up next to you. What are you going to do? Half of the people out there will ignore it and go on their merry way. The other half will put the civic in its place.

If you race this car (I don't promote street racing) and your car is still hot when you pull into your work parking lot what do you do? Its 7:58am and if you don't punch in by 8 you will be late and your boss is going to be pissed.

If you had a turbo timer you could turn it on and make it to work on time and not have to worry about causing damage to your turbo.

Originally Posted by MerF

Turbo Timers are a ricey fad...it's the turbo equivalent to large wings on the trunk for downforce. It sounds legitimate until you actually examine it.

Turbo timers have turned into a fad but there are some situations where they are necessary. And they are not in the same category as large ricer wings. Large ricer wings have no benefit to FWd cars. Turbo timers do.

If I had a turbo charged vehicle I would consider installing one as a safety per cation. With responsible driving you most likely will never use it. But when the certain situation arrives you will will be glad you had one.

Originally Posted by MerF

Here's my earlier post I asked people to read:

What is your background as it relates to forced induction vehicles?

[manimsoblack]

i actually like turbo lag.

If i get a V6 which seems to be more likely than not i'll probably turbo it.

The alarm system i'm getting comes with a turbo timer so if i do need it, it's there, if not, whatev.

[MerF]

Originally Posted by GMRedline

If you had a turbo timer you could turn it on and make it to work on time and not have to worry about causing damage to your turbo.

Ok, I'll concede that you have found one example of being in too big of a hurry to properly allow your performance components to cool would mean using a timer.

Of course, that implies that you were WOT all the way from the moment you started the race until you pulled into your parking lot. IF you actually ended the race, slowed down for the turn into the parking lot, parked, got out of the car and got your stuff needed for work...then that's a good minute of less than WOT running and you've done more than enough to get EGTs back down to normal.

Originally Posted by GMRedline

What is your background as it relates to forced induction vehicles?

Had a turbo Honda many years ago and a MKIV Supra APU++ (Supra-slang for single-turbo upgrades with a few supporting mods). Have helped many a FI friend get his stuff running right in the meantime.

[derin11]

is Their ANY concrete Supercharger or turbocharger made for the v6 yet?