Some EBay sellers promising 4/15 delivery

[CamaroScotty]

Originally Posted by dbotsfordtat

That's what I'm talking about. I hope GM is still reading these threads, so they can deal with these characters during they're bankruptcy reorg.

Thanks for sharing your story with us and welcome to the site!

GM has no say in the matter, and they won't tell dealerships how they can market their products.

Hate Ebay, hate Ebay users, or hate Autotrader. This is how this works. Dodge, Ford, Toyota, Porsche, there is no difference. And there is no wrongdoing being done here.

If you don't like what a dealer does, don't do buisness. It's that easy. But I can't see burning a dealer for doing nothing wrong.

[OverAnxious]

Originally Posted by dbotsfordtat

Dude seriously, whats your problem? First your calling us tools and now this? Can't we debate this without name calling and maybe show a little respect for each other?

The same discussion goes on round and round, I'm just pointing out the futility, nothing more

[KILLER74Z28]

Everyone play nice...

[GTAHVIT]

Damn Killer beat me to it...

Yeah, what Killer Said!!!!

[dbotsfordtat]

Originally Posted by OverAnxious

The same discussion goes on round and round, I'm just pointing out the futility, nothing more

I get it that your not learning anything new on this thread, but the rest of us are still finding some value discussing it so why don't let us do that? And, if you feel the need to interject, try doing it without the insults.

To those that think this dealer is just a victim of circumstance, more power to you, but I got bumped by my dealer and He didn't do anything illegal either. Ask me if I care? I've had my car on order since October and if I had known this was possible, I would not have participated in this preorder scam. Next time GM's on the ropes, this perfectly legal but totally unethical dealer B.S. will be a contributing factor again. I wish GM would fire their whole dealer network and just list all their cars on ebay, I'll take the plastic off myself and I'm sure the free market would take care of the rest.

[Evotion]

Originally Posted by SALISBURYCHEVROLET

Master Chief. this will be my last post here..But I just had to respond. I find it interesting that all your posts started today. No one from my store ever said you needed to pay 30,000 over MSRP. I smell a rat and you probably work for another dealer for all I know. Your story is full of to many gaps. look forward to seeing you on the road with your deenoyer plate. As you would say ENOUGH SAID...Dan

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[chevymuscle311]

This is ridiculous. Why are people trying to stand up for this jerk? I do not buy into this he should charge whatever the hell he wants so HE can make a profit. That is why GM is going to file bankruptcy. If dealers were looking out for the company as well as themselves then everyone would be much better off. Should I have to pay more for a steak at the steakhouse than the guy at the next table because I am hungrier than he is?? Does a coke cost more for a person who is thirstier than I am?? That is not what America is about. If every dealer would sell them at or below MSRP they would fly off the dealer floor and GM would be in much better shape than they are right now. But that is not going to happen because Joe Dealer like this guy want to maximize their profit.

[Badger]

Originally Posted by Master Chief

Hello Camaro Friends,

I would like to reinforce the opinions expressed here about the Ebay Camaro listings.

Here's a little background: I have been a lurker here for several months and learned a lot about the preorder process from the people here. I have also been a loyal Salisbury Chevrolet customer since 1990. My family has purchased around 15 new cars from them in the past 30 years plus about 5 used cars.

I went to pre-order a RJT 2010 2SSRS from them on the second day of ordering, and the sales person treated me like I was from mars. They insisted there was no pre-ordering and told me things about the Camaro possibly not ever even being made. I chalked it up to salesman stupidity.

I went back a few days later and talked to another salesperson. I got a similar story from him. When I presented proof that the Camaro was being offered for pre-order, he looked totally confused as if he was an actor who forgot his lines.

I still was naive and thought that I couldn't possibly be getting misled by the dealer I have been loyal to all this time and recommended to friends for years...

I tried calling and asking about pre-orders and this time I got the story about Camaros not being made ever and that it could be years before I get one so the dealer was "doing me a favor" by not taking my money for a deposit. I insisted that I would like to put down a deposit and that it was no problem. The salesman told me he didn't think it was "fair" for them to be collecting interest on the deposit all the time I could keep it in my bank account and that they were trying to save me the lost interest by refusing my pre-order.

I said how about if I just put down a token amount to "hold my place in line for whenever the camaro comes out". I suggested I put down $100 and even said I didn't care about the interest (I get 0.15% on my checking account! ) and said if the camaro never comes out they can keep the $100. I was told that GM wouldn't take a pre-order for less than $5000 on a new Camaro. (Which I almost did but I thought it over in my head and thought if Salisbury or GM went out of business I could lose the rather large deposit.)

By now, I was starting to feel duped. The more and more people I read about with positive dealer stories getting MSRP and small or no deposits and such was making me feel I was somehow being lied to. I felt my long history buying from them didn't matter and I was just another idiot. I didn't want to believe it because I had always had good luck with this dealer (except for their crooked service department, but that's another topic alltogether!)

I went back in before the deadline and it was slow, so another sales person I never met before was talking to me and I pretended like I knew nothing about the Camaro but I saw it in a magazine and wanted to buy one. He told me that they only had a handful of pre-orders and "They were all filled the first week." I asked him about getting on the list for the next allotment and he told me that I would need to be prepared to pay $30K+ over sticker if I wanted to get one this year.

By now I realized I was totally SCAMMED by this dealer and I realized that I needed to find another one, but I was a afraid I would get the same treatment. I went to DeNooyer and they were totally honest with me and didn't give me any stories, however they said that it would be a long time before I received my car because I waited so long to pre-order. They took my $500 depost and I'm just in waiting mode now.

Because I was stupidly loyal to my dealer, I screwed myself out of getting a 2010 Camaro this summer. If I am lucky, my order will come in this fall.

I was NOT going to say anything about Salisbury Chevrolet here, because I wasn't sure what the story was 100%. I was going to give them ther benefit of the doubt because I figured that there was a good chance the salespeople were the problem... trying to turn pre-orders away because they wanted to get the first cars for themselves or friends.

Boy, was I a SUCKER! Once I saw the thread about the other fellow with the same stories from them and the cars showing up on Ebay, I figured I was duped. Then when I see the actual management putting their comments on the ebay auction saying "nobody locally wanted a 2SSRS" so he was doing some kind of favor by offering them to the internet for true enthusiasts or some nonsense. Boy was I pissed!!! Now I come here and visit and see the LAME excuses being offered to people by the same management and how somehow this is not his fault because the car is popular and this always happens? Give me a break! I get a distinct feeling of arrogance from Dan, and now I feel even disdain for those of us who were only willing to pony up MSRP for his "treasures". Even the comments in his ebay listings are misleading, as if he's doing the world a favor by offering these cars for sale to the higherst bidder.

I have been lied to at every turn, and these guys were only out for themselves. This "ebay" thing was their plan all along. I imagine that I'm not the only person who got screwed by these con artists. I was totally screwed by Salisbury and I decided never to buy from them again even if they were the ONLY dealer in the world selling Camaros. I have told my family to NEVER shop there ever again and I believe they agree with me now.

If Mr. Carlton thinks his short-term profit is worth the negative publicity, then so be it. He's lost a family of loyal customers and everyone I ever meet who's looking for a Chevy.

Oh, and one more thing that's REALLY annoying... (this is hilarious): If I google "2010 Camaro" to look for pictures or reviews or other new info guess what happens? I get google list results with "google ads" on the top or side border of my screen that say:

"2010 Camaro In Stock! Salisbury Chevrolet" and a link to their website that shops none in stock but a button to press that says "Pre-Order your 2010 Camaro Today" that takes you to an email screen where you have to type a message.

I hope Dan meets his reserve price because it's the last profit he will ever make if I tell enough people my story.

Goodbye forever, Salisbury! Don't let the door smash your taillamps on the way out!

OHHHHH!...Double Secret Probation Snap!!

[Master Chief]

Originally Posted by SALISBURYCHEVROLET

Master Chief. this will be my last post here..But I just had to respond. I find it interesting that all your posts started today. No one from my store ever said you needed to pay 30,000 over MSRP. I smell a rat and you probably work for another dealer for all I know. Your story is full of to many gaps. look forward to seeing you on the road with your deenoyer plate. As you would say ENOUGH SAID...Dan

Nice way to keep customers. Call them liars?

I wasn't going to post here until your antics pissed me off.

Oh, and please tell me the "gaps" in my account. I love your tall tales.

[Badger]

Originally Posted by SALISBURYCHEVROLET

Master chief. call me then here is my number 518-526-0412

DOH!!!

[Master Chief]

Originally Posted by SALISBURYCHEVROLET

Master chief. call me then here is my number 518-526-0412. I know we have never personally spoken. If you do maybe I have a way to make something work for you. Up to you. Dan

What are you going to do? I already got my order in elsewhere. No thanks.\

[Evotion]

Originally Posted by SALISBURYCHEVROLET

Master chief. call me then here is my number 518-526-0412. I know we have never personally spoken. If you do maybe I have a way to make something work for you. Up to you. Dan

And what exactly would he gain by calling you? You have already said you would not be selling pre-orders. You can't guarantee he would even get the car... remember?

The point of these forums are for Camaro paople to get together and talk about cars, dealers, parts... whatever it may be.

So while I respect your decision to come and "defend yourself", it was a lost cause from the start. And you really never answered some of the questions that were put forth, which did not help your cause.

In the end what does it matter? No one here would buy a car from you anyway. Is that your fault? Well yeah... I guess it would be.

[Master Chief]

Originally Posted by SALISBURYCHEVROLET

Well Master Chief stated that he still thinks it will take a long time to get a car. I offered to try and help him. I know I have never spoken to him. If he does not want any help then so be it. I did not come in here to sell cars I will have no problem selling the one's I will get. And I sure do not need to defend myself. For some reason I keep posting. I think this will be it. Let the flames begin.

So you're going to "pull some strings" and get chevy to build my car sooner? Wow, that's IMPRESSIVE.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by Master Chief

So you're going to "pull some strings" and get chevy to build my car sooner? Wow, that's IMPRESSIVE.

I say phone him and find out what he's offering. It better be damned good.