point of an automatic zl1?

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by maroman1138

C'mon people! My LS3 is a DD. Whats the real reason you guys pick autos? Be honest. It's cause you can't drive a manual! Be honest dammit. Manual IS manly! Even has man in the word! Stop using the auto is quicker excuse. We all know it's not. Consistent times yes but not quicker. I'm tired of of reading these debates and it's time to get nasty about it! Someone tell the godda$: truth for once.

Wow. And just when I thought SVTP was just as bad as some in this forum with regard to lunacy, stupidity, and immaturity, someone comes along and makes me rethink that analysis.

Just wow.

[2ndCamaro79]

Its whatever you like, and I am glad chevy caters to both crowds. I consider anything that does not have a clutch and you don't row the gears to be a auto. I don't care how advanced it is, your still not using your right hand and left foot. I totally understand the flabby paddles such as the PDK, the Getrag and dual clutch autos are advanced, but the computer is still working the clutch not you. I also think its sad people feel the ZL1s auto is junk and can't compare to euro/japanese ones. The new ZL1 auto is quite advanced and not the regular run of the mill tapshift like in say my old 300C or current L99 SS. I guess the ZL1 auto has to prove its self like the ZL1 has at the Ring to be spoken in the same breath as a BMW or Nissian.

[Z4me]

GM was smart to invest some more R & D to make sure the auto version would hold up and keep a warranty. I'm just happy they offer both transmissions for us to choose from. Every one has there reasons for picking one over the other. If I had the funds I would get one of each. This car is going to be a classic either way.

My 77 Trans Am was a stick
My 87 Grand National was an auto (only came that way, but was alot of fun)
My ZL1 (year ???) stick

Lets just be understanding of ones choices

[brucedd]

I find some of these posts funny.

Some of the same people that defend the ZL1 vs the GT-500 by quoting faster ring times say they choose the automatic because it is faster in the 1/4.

It was a manual on the ring. So which is "faster"?

[htron50]

Originally Posted by brucedd

I find some of these posts funny.

Some of the same people that defend the ZL1 vs the GT-500 by quoting faster ring times say they choose the automatic because it is faster in the 1/4.

It was a manual on the ring. So which is "faster"?

The auto shifts "faster".... you should know that. Now that's funny!

[maroman1138]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Wow. And just when I thought SVTP was just as bad as some in this forum with regard to lunacy, stupidity, and immaturity, someone comes along and makes me rethink that analysis.

Just wow.

Cmon buddy, you know I'm right. You don't have to try to start an argument with being immature yourself. I'm stating a fact. I could understand if we had traffic like in China where you hardly move at all four hours on end, but traffic is not that damn bad here in the U.S. that anyone who knows how to drive manual would even be bothered by it and prefer an auto. Hell, I live here in H-town and traffic sucks but I would never get a auto for a car in this class. Any hardcore speednut is going to get a manual. It's a fact. Now I'm sure there are older gents that would probably prefer an auto now after driving manuals for years or maybe some that know how to row gears but can't for medical reasons but thats about it. I know that most of these guys on here that say they prefer auto because they are quicker really do not know how to drive stick and if they learned how to, they would love it and never turn back. It would be nice for once to have someone on this forum, on this type of thread come out and tell the truth, "I can't drive stick but I wish I could, I'd get the LS3 in a heartbeat". It takes absolutely no talent to drive an auto but takes a hell of a lot to master the manual and I aint a master yet, but I sure as sh&t know how to drive one.

[motorhead]

The ZL1 is not a sports car. It makes complete sense to offer an automatic. Besides the public demanded it and GM complied.

[OLD_GOAT]

Originally Posted by maroman1138

Now I'm sure there are older gents that would probably prefer an auto now after driving manuals for years or maybe some that know how to row gears but can't for medical reasons but thats about it.

I do appreciate you acknowledging this. I was manual shifting Trans-Ams, Camaro Z/28s, and Mustang LX 5.0 before a lot of you guys were born.

Just curious, since you're coming off as being so hard core, why I didn't see your name in any of the quarter mile listings. I would hate to think that you're talking the talk without walking the walk.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...19&postcount=2

[maroman1138]

Originally Posted by motorhead

The ZL1 is not a sports car. It makes complete sense to offer an automatic. Besides the public demanded it and GM complied.

They demanded it because most people do not know how to drive stick. I believe at early conception, it was only going to be manual. So GM decided to help the auto guys out knowing that most cannot drive stick to tweak the autos. GM is not stupid, they know where most of the sales are going to come from. I think this is sad. Man up, learn how to drive stick so we can keep the manuals alive and keep the autos a step under the manuals like it should be. Pansies!! And sir, the ZL1 is not a sports car? What is it then?

[Camarowguy]

I'll answer why they offer a manual. So when the manual guy gets spanked by the auto guy, he can use the excuse that he missed a gear or the clutch is slipping. Auto is faster, all real gear heads know this. I don't see any people at the track with a manual unless it's slow. A manual is fun in a civic. And auto belongs in fast cars. Everyone I know that has a fast car (10.99 or faster) has an auto and if it came with a manual, they did a swap to an auto and went faster. I have a buddy that has a rx7 with an ls1 engine in it that runs 9.60's @ 144 mph. He has an auto. He had a six speed and that pos wouldn't hold up and kept breaking. Couldn't get into the 9's with it either. Put a turbo 400 in it, went faster. Now he ways to drive it more so I'm currently building him a 4l60e for it with every upgrade you can buy. And I bet it'll go even faster with the 4l60.

[SixGracing]

What is it with manual guys thinking it's not a true sports car if it's an automatic? That's just ridiculous. Then I hear an auto is cheating at the races? Really? There are still a lot of things going on when you launch an auto that if aren't just so, will kill your time and possibly lose the race.

I can tell you this though, of all the manuals I've raced to date with similar or even a little more HP, I hands down whip them everytime. I'm not saying a manual is a bad choice, but like others have said, when it comes to racing, a auto is the only way to fly!

Originally Posted by 2012ZL1

Manual is the only way to go in a sports car. Real sports cars are sticks end of story.
A ZL1 is a sports car. I don't understand the desire for an auto either, but some like the ease of operation, and all drivers can drive an auto.

Auto's are for convenience, and leisure. ZL1 auto is a performance designed auto that is faster only because it takes the skill out of shifting and makes it a program like a computer. Shift points are optimized for the driver in a clock like precision manner. To me, that takes half the fun out of the experience.

A driver skilled in manual transmission will be equivelent to the auto with an unskilled driver.
Also manual cars are lighter, so tend to be a little easier to handle.
Auto's have more torque multiplication, but that is usually offset by less gear ratio in a manual.
IMHO a manual car set up for the strip would have 4.10's not 3.73's anyway, so the manuals give up a bit of torque mult. set up from factory.

[maroman1138]

Originally Posted by OLD_GOAT

I do appreciate you acknowledging this. I was manual shifting Trans-Ams, Camaro Z/28s, and Mustang LX 5.0 before a lot of you guys were born.

Just curious, since you're coming off as being so hard core, why I didn't see your name in any of the quarter mile listings. I would hate to think that you're talking the talk without walking the walk.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...19&postcount=2

I do not have to walk the walk. I'm telling the truth here. I never said I was a hardcore speedhead I said hardcore speedheads will always prefer manuals. Didn't you? I believe I read your post correctly. And you wont see my name in the quarter mile listings because I don't care to be on there. Its not my goal in life but go back and look at them again pal and tell me how many LS3's there were.

[SixGracing]

Originally Posted by Camarowguy

I'll answer why they offer a manual. So when the manual guy gets spanked by the auto guy, he can use the excuse that he missed a gear or the clutch is slipping. Auto is faster, all real gear heads know this. I don't see any people at the track with a manual unless it's slow. A manual is fun in a civic. And auto belongs in fast cars. Everyone I know that has a fast car (10.99 or faster) has an auto and if it came with a manual, they did a swap to an auto and went faster. I have a buddy that has a rx7 with an ls1 engine in it that runs 9.60's @ 144 mph. He has an auto. He had a six speed and that pos wouldn't hold up and kept breaking. Couldn't get into the 9's with it either. Put a turbo 400 in it, went faster. Now he ways to drive it more so I'm currently building him a 4l60e for it with every upgrade you can buy. And I bet it'll go even faster with the 4l60.

AMEN!!

[SixGracing]

Originally Posted by maroman1138

I do not have to walk the walk. I'm telling the truth here. I never said I was a hardcore speedhead I said hardcore speedheads will always prefer manuals. Didn't you? I believe I read your post correctly. And you wont see my name in the quarter mile listings because I don't care to be on there. Its not my goal in life but go back and look at them again pal and tell me how many LS3's there were.

You really can't use LS3 as a reference to a manual. There are many autos that aren't L99's anymore and have converted to an LS3 (like myself). So probably just stick to manual and auto. Avoids confusion. Or just say Manual and Race car..