Enough muscle car vs muscle car...

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by Wesman

Camaro runs the same trap speed bone stock, all for about $10,000 less than the extra cost of an Evo and all those parts.

And the best part is, the Camaro will still be in one piece at the end of the dragstrip. Mitsubishis are about as well built as a chinese toy with lead paint.

And with an intake, exhaust, tune, and slicks, I'm sure an SS would match that time. They already have one running 12.5's with just intake and tune.

Really? A stock Camaro ran an 11.8 1/4 mile? I'd like to see those numbers, seeing as they don't exist... maybe if the 1/4 mile was downhill. Pretty sure the best 1/4 mile an SS has run has been 12.9 so far (i think, could be wrong). Anyway, Wesmen, if you honestly think the Skyline is 'nothing special'... then I and bid you good day!

[Brokinarrow]

Model
R34 GT-R V-Spec

General Information

Layout
Front-engine / AWD see left
Drag Coefficient [cd] NA
Curb Weight [lb (kg)] 3395 (1540) 2440 (1560)
Trunk Space [cu ft. (L)] NA

Overall Length [in. (mm)] 181.1 (4600)
Overall Width [in. (mm)] 70.3 (1785)
Overall Height [in. (mm)] 53.5 (1360)
Wheelbase [in. (mm)] 104.9 (2665)
Track Front [in. (mm)] 58.3 (1480)
Track Rear [in. (mm)] 58.7 (1490)

Steering Rack & Pinion; Speed Sensitive Power Ass.
Turning Radius [ft. (m)]
18 (5.6)
Tires front 245/40 ZR18
Tires rear 245/40 ZR18

Engine

Type
RB26DETT - Inline-6; Twin-Turbo Charged
Valvetrain
dohc 4-valve/cyl
Displacement [cc] 2568
Bore & Stroke [mm] 86.0 x 73.7
Compression Ratio 8.5:1
Redline [rpm] 8000

Max. Power [Bhp at rpm] 280 at 6800 (official) 327 at 6800 (real)
Max. Torque [lb-ft (Nm) at rpm] 293 (400) at 4400
Bhp/Liter 109 127.3

Gear Ratios

1st
3.827
2nd 2.360
3rd 1.685
4th 1.312
5th 1.000
6th 0.793
Final drive 3.545

Suspension

Front
MacPherson struts with an additional link, Lower A-Arms, Coil Springs
Rear Mulitlink Setup with Coil Springs, Tube Shocks, Anti-Roll Bar

Braking

Front - Brakes
300mm ventilated discs with 4-piston calipers
Rear - Brakes 280mm discs with 2-piston calipers
70 - 0 mph [ft (m)] 148 (46)
60 - 0 mph [ft (m)] 120 (36.6)

Performance*

0 - 60 mph [secs]
4.9
0 - 100 mph [secs] 12.3
1/4 mile [secs at mph] 13.7 at 103.5

Top Speed [mph] 155
Lateral acceleration [g] 0.88

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

Really? A stock Camaro ran an 11.8 1/4 mile? I'd like to see those numbers, seeing as they don't exist... maybe if the 1/4 mile was downhill. Pretty sure the best 1/4 mile an SS has run has been 12.9 so far (i think, could be wrong). Anyway, Wesmen, if you honestly think the Skyline is 'nothing special'... then I and bid you good day!

Dont pay attention to wesman lol he says random things then defends them as if they were real.

[MadMaxx]

Originally Posted by Wesman

Needing to install a GM trans in your supposedly invincible ricerburner because there is no Japanese auto trans made to handle that much power?? Now thats hilarious.

So you've just pretty much proven you have no clue what you're talking about. I did the swap because I was building a purpose-built drag car. Originally I had fitted a PG, but went w/ a Th400 w/ a GV's OD unit to keep streetability. No one has ever denied the holding potential of the TH400...hence it being a choice for many drag racers. But if you want to compare the whole "ricer" transmission thing... feel free to look up a V160 gearbox and it's current records being held by *shocker* the mkiv supra

Yes, there definitely is, and I'm quoting his post right now. If you're here to brag about jap cars, you're on the wrong site.

I'm here to talk about cars, you on the other hand (do you even *own* a 2010 Camaro? I do... it's my DD) can't seem to get past this trivial Japanese bashing shit. I love when folks reference them a "jap cars" -- nothing says "I didn't go to college" like statements like that.

That's how you can always spot someone who isn't an automotive enthusiast -- they talk shit about things they have no knowledge of rather than embracing the wonderful variety of the automotive hobby. But hey, what ever floats your boat.

What next, you going to tell me about my Vipers, or why my Lotus Esprit sucked?

Stay classy kiddo.

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

Dont pay attention to wesman lol he says random things then defends them as if they were real.

[MadMaxx]

Some things about forums are universal constants gents I'd venture to say our good friend wesman is a mid 20's, mid-level automotive tech at an independent shop...which explains a lot of about his posting style.

Cheers

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by Wesman

The production Skyline GTR was rated at 276HP. I don't see what you're arguement is.

And yes, Evos do fall apart. Here's a surprise for you: The Evo you buy off the showroom floor shares little with the one you see running rally courses on TV. If you honestly beleive a showroom stock Evo could do that, you are more ignorant than I thought. And yes, Evos are built like garbage, just like every other Mitsubishi. A kid came into the shop the other day with an IX, took it to the track and now its got a horrible input shaft bearing whine and the clutch is slipping. Mistubishi quality is horrible, if you run them hard they will break.



Who said anything about Porsche's and AMG Mercedes?? Some of them may nt have V8's, but they are extremely sophisticated and expensive engines, and they still make big power numbers and sound good while doing it. But you pay a price for that kind of prestige, they aren't something thats remotely close to being competitors to the Camaro.

On the other hand, the Japs take a shitty 4 cylinder economy engine, stick a turbo on it, and put it in a modified economy car and charge $35,000. Now thats a joke. So you end up with a shitty engine in a poorly built car that looks like crap. Also known as Lancer Evolution.



Thats funny, because all Supra owners always want to go from a roll because it takes them 10 minutes to spool up their turbos.

Man you crack me up Yes I know that some Evo's have problems with the Shaft..It usually comes from people going to the track and NOT KNOWING HOW TO SHIFT, and come back and say....I think I broke it..nothing new there...btw thats on the older box model.

So you seem to think the WRX and the Lancer share nothing with their rally cousins ? Hmm ok. Maybe in Wessman's world they don't...but out here in the REAL world its different. Man take the Red pill..It will help you. And I beleive the Supra's guys you see only go from a roll...that does not surprise me by your posting.

Oh....btw here is some Info on a STOCK R34 GT-R :

"As with the R32 and R33, the R34 keeps the RB26DETT as its powerhouse. Power is rated as 280hp @ 6800rpm, yet has shown to be closer to the 320hp range. The RB26DETT received new camshafts for improved valve timing and a new stainless steel exhaust system with reduced backpressure. Smaller twin ceramic intercooled turbochargers, with variable boost timing, enhances spool-up time and minimizes friction while smoothing and quieting the engine."

Note the underating part. So...with a mod here and a mod there...you somehow think...that this car that is Twin Turbo'ed from the factory...is somehow slow. So you think that this car cannot make well over 400hp, and considering its weight, would not be able to run with a domestic ??? Hmmm.. Yeah.

You need to pay a bit more attention to the import part of those classes you are taking...or perhaps pick up a book, or try googling if all else fails.

[Wrath]

Umm... not to side with wesman but he is completely right about trap speeds... you got it confused with 1/4 mil time... they both clock in at ~111mph

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by Wrath

Umm... not to side with wesman but he is completely right about trap speeds... you got it confused with 1/4 mil time... they both clock in at ~111mph

Oh ok, got ya. Thanks for the correction!

[Wrath]

And I would also like to add.... If you ever stumble upon a MKIV supra, or r34 skyline, I would recommend not challenging it. Those are probably the best tuner cars ever made!

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by Wrath

And I would also like to add.... If you ever stumble upon a MKIV supra, or r34 skyline, I would recommend not challenging it. Those are probably the best tuner cars ever made!

friend of mine in japan had an older skyline... R32 maybe? can't remember, but she was building it for drifting, it was very nice

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by Wrath

And I would also like to add.... If you ever stumble upon a MKIV supra, or r34 skyline, I would recommend not challenging it. Those are probably the best tuner cars ever made!

I have seen up close and personal what my friends Hahn's can do. From a roll, out the hole, on a road track....that thing is a beast.

[Phenix]

Originally Posted by Wesman

**snip**

And yes, Evos do fall apart. Here's a surprise for you: The Evo you buy off the showroom floor shares little with the one you see running rally courses on TV. If you honestly beleive a showroom stock Evo could do that, you are more ignorant than I thought. And yes, Evos are built like garbage, just like every other Mitsubishi. A kid came into the shop the other day with an IX, took it to the track and now its got a horrible input shaft bearing whine and the clutch is slipping. Mistubishi quality is horrible, if you run them hard they will break.


**snip**

Wes, you want to be proven wrong? Look up Group-N rally racing. Only allows safety mods, tires, and minor suspension mods needed to adapt a street car to the dirt.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by Gentry78

ok i see yall's point i love evos and supras too but any 4 banger or staight 6 will be fast with turbos but lets see a n/a 4 banger that is street legal keep up with a n/a ss

ain't gonna happen

Does a cobalt SS count? Lemme use a supercharged SS and I bet that we could have some fun with it