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[INTIMIDAT3R]

Originally Posted by PQ

No need. My lawn mower I never had a problem with. My chainsaw is a Husqvarna and the weed eater is a craftsman. Always buy craftsman everything.

I think Craftsman uses briggs and straton just like the rest. lol

Husqvarna here too.

[JRT]

Originally Posted by cornfield camaro

I should just save my breath(everyone seems to agree ethanol is evil) but I just can't stand the bs that's out there! You guys listen to the 2 floozies on this link and take it as gospel! Ethanol dropping out of mixture when it's e15? Total BS!
I doubt that there is anyone more experienced with ethanol on this site than me and I haven't seen any of this crap they're spewing. I've run e10 in every small engine there is for many years with no problem. We have blender pumps here with E15, E30, E40 and E85 and many of us guys here have experimented with different blends in all kinds of gas burning vehicles. E30 runs fine in my old '92 big block 1 ton. As I've said before, I've had E85 in '86 GN for 5 yrs with NO fuel pump, fuel line, injector problems and it runs like a bat out of hell on it!!
EThANOL FACTS: High octane, Less mileage, Would be real cheap if not for the big midwest drouth, does absorb moisture and gets it out of your fuel system, way less corrosive than methanol, good for environment, made in the usa, Adds to the us fuel refining capacity, Allows the oil industry to get rid of their junk gas by blending it with ethanol, most misunderstood and most lied about product out there.

With a name like cornfield camaro I can understand why you spew this complete line of bullshit.

Ethanol is far worse for the environment then gasoline. It gets less mileage, takes an enormous amount of water and energy to produce, the carbon footprint of the farm equipment to grow and cultivate it, and even worse it takes massive amounts of nitrogen to grow corn and all of if seems into the water tables or runs down the country into the Gulf of Mexico creating a dead zone. not to mention it drives the price of the countries #1 food crop up. Corn is in EVERYTHING!!! Why use for a bullshit fuel that does no good?


http://www.greencarcongress.com/2012...-20120316.html

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba591

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/bu...anted=all&_r=0

Please do some actual reading before you spout complete garbage!

[skibik]

I read through my manual when I got it and one of the things I specifically looked for was to see if the V6 LFX engine was capable of running E-85. I could not find it anywhere. From what I read last spring and searched for on the net the only thing I found was that if your vehicle was E-85 compliant it would have the information on the gas cap or in or around the filler neck area. My 2012 V6 LFX has no E-85 badges or info on it to that effect. I do run the 10% regular, 87 octane in my car and it has plenty of power. That is what that engine was built for.

Also, about the E-15, the reason for separation is it is blended at the pump, most of the E-85 that was sold around here, and now disappearing, is blended at the refinery. The stuff is blended at the pump, once car has been filled and it sits it separates and now you have pure alcohol running though the fuel system. That is what she said on the video clip.

[ALLTRBO]

I don't feel like getting into the politics and environmental impacts and whatnot right now, but...

FWIW, I've been filling up my riding mower, which was built in 1985 IIRC, with E10 for 4 years in a row now. I don't do anything to prep it for the winter (I'm just looking for an excuse to convert it to electric). It takes a little while to start the first time in spring, of course, but it has started up every year and every time... WRT the engine itself, anyway. I'm going to keep it up just to see how long it lasts.

Also, I used to use E85 in my '96 Talon occasionally (it worked better than C16 in that car... on 24 psi I could advance the timing further than C16 without knock, despite the injectors going static from 5500 to 7500 rpm, LOL. E85 has a WIDE margin for safe AFR's), and then when I snapped the rear limited slip unit from wheel hop at the strip, it sat for a year with what came out to be E40 once I put a little regular in it. Since then, it has had E10 in it and has sat for most of 5 years, and once I get it to turn over, it fires right up after going idle for many, many months at a time. The car is very, very 'tired', but there have been no problems with the fuel system whatsoever. While the aftermarket injectors are ethanol safe, the Walbro pump isn't (according to Walbro), and the rest of the system is all original.

The only thing that really peeves me off about these mild blends is that they *lower* the octane of the gasoline to bring it back *down* to the regular numbers (as mentioned by the woman on the video) because pure ethanol is 117 octane.

As for my cars (and lawnmower), I'm not too worried about it.

[MBS]

I have a Fleet Farm here that has switched to No Ethanol . I think i am going to switch and go to them , But not sure if it is Top Teir gasoline. Is there a way to find out? Also is it better to go 89 octane with ethanol , or 87 pure gas, the price is the same.

[MBS]

Originally Posted by solo40oz

Trivia time.....this picture shows 2 fuel sending units that came out of a '55 chevy. One of them is the original unit (50+ years old), that sat in a tank of gas for 20 years that was not used. The other one is 3 years old and sat in a tank of modern gas. Which one do you think is the original, and which one is the new one?

Thats amazing, Yep i think pure gas from now on.

[Cam2011]

Never heard of it, nothing like that around here, no E85 either.

[2ssx2]

I rune pure Iowa sweet corn in the turbo cobalt . runs like a raped ape. Tuned for it of course. I run 10%e in everything I own. never an Issue.

[One-Bad-ZL1]

Weighing in here, the Chevy Monte Carlo had one of the dumbest recalls every by a manufacturer with the corrosion of their head gaskets resulting in oil leaking onto the exhaust manifold creating an engine fire hazard. And instead of replacing the gasket, GM called us in for the installation of a drip shield that did not stop the leak but instead redirected it so it could further pollute the environment. My 2001 monte's fuel sending unit has quit working as well as the one in my 2000 Chevy Astro van. I am 100% convinced ethanol is the culprit. My sons 92 RS fuel system is perfect.

I'm actually concerned that storing my ZL1 for 3 winter months with this 10% crap in the tank may not be good.

[MBS]

Originally Posted by Cam2011

Never heard of it, nothing like that around here, no E85 either.

In the Owners Manuel , It says use only "Top Tier gasolines" We have Kwik Trip and on their pumps it says that.

[cornfield camaro]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Not when the stuff is a PITA to find and not commonly available on the road between home and most anywhere I'm apt to travel to. Nor am I about to rip the aftermarket multiport EFI off of it, which I seriously doubt is E85-compatible.


Norm

I understand the availability thing(it's everywhere here). As for the aftermarket EFI, you would probably after run 40% bigger injectors and do some tuning. But you would be amazed how much power you'd have with 12 to 1 and E85! Cheap 105 octane race gas out of the pump!

[its a syn]

Originally Posted by MBS

I have a Fleet Farm here that has switched to No Ethanol . I think i am going to switch and go to them , But not sure if it is Top Teir gasoline. Is there a way to find out? Also is it better to go 89 octane with ethanol , or 87 pure gas, the price is the same.

If you are getting it for the same price, go with 87. You will get 3-4 mpg more. This is the BIG thing, you live in Wisconsin. When you get to temps below freezing,you run the risk of fuel line freeze up. You can add fuel line anti-freeze, but you now have lost your mpg and are back to where you would have been had you gone with corn squeezin'. Around here ethanol runs 10-12 cents higher so you have to do a little math to see which is cost effective.

[its a syn]

Originally Posted by JRT

With a name like cornfield camaro I can understand why you spew this complete line of bullshit.

Ethanol is far worse for the environment then gasoline. It gets less mileage, takes an enormous amount of water and energy to produce, the carbon footprint of the farm equipment to grow and cultivate it, and even worse it takes massive amounts of nitrogen to grow corn and all of if seems into the water tables or runs down the country into the Gulf of Mexico creating a dead zone. not to mention it drives the price of the countries #1 food crop up. Corn is in EVERYTHING!!! Why use for a bullshit fuel that does no good?


http://www.greencarcongress.com/2012...-20120316.html

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba591

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/bu...anted=all&_r=0

Please do some actual reading before you spout complete garbage!

I am not going to get into a pissin' match. That 2nd link goes to an article from 2 people. One is Max Borders, who buy the way is top funded by Walter Koch. Seems like they are at war with anyone against oil drilling. They act as though corn is the only thing we can get ethanol from. The corn plants up here actually can process quite a bit more than that. They talk about the dry milling process that is used in most ethanol plants. It also creates a byproduct that is fed back to the livestock after it has had heavy steep water added to it. This process is used in smaller plants that make ethanol thier primary focus. Now if we talk about wet milling, ADM,Cargill and other big companies use this process. Here is the small list if what we are also getting from that one corn kernal on top of ethanol-corn stach,gluten,high frutose corn syrup(many varieties)citric acid,sodium citrate,corn oil,germ and plastic. So what it comes down to is do we create energy indepedance or rely on foriegn oil. Now we have come up with some great ways to get more out of our wells here i.e. fracking and I'm all for that. I just don't like seeing ethanol getting bashed with the only backup is linked straight to large oil. If ethanol was so evil, we would have a lot of vehicle along the side of our raods up here in the midwest and I just don't see that happening.

[PQ]

I'm a drill drill drill guy. ALONG with alternatives till we actually find the right answer.

Whatever gets us independent from foreign oil. And quickly.

I really don't give a shit about using ethanol or not.

But none of you have answered the question.

Why are the car companies taking the stand they are against the E-15?