Header install hitting steering shaft

[Mr. Unassailable]

Originally Posted by Scourage

If you are challenging US stainless vs China, you can stop right there.

That's what I thought. Guess you didn't read the whole thread and don't know much about the % by weight of elements in the metals you are talking about.


- Clayton. Official C5Fail4 hater.

[Mr. Unassailable]

http://www.aksteel.com/pdf/markets_p...Data_Sheet.pdf

^^ data sheet from an american steel company. You could start learning there.

I assure you, when I get home I will be taking off one of my headers to shut some people up. I'll drag it to the lab and bring back to the forum a full report on it. It will be way the **** over your heads and you will still be speaking sheepish, but I'll be able to point to it each time someone says something ignorant.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Scourage

I so want to see this thread die, but it gives me the chance to see what part of our country are willing to save a few hundred for crap stainless and sell out. I'm glad to see it's only few, three so far on my count.

First off, I am no sell-out. I could just as easily claim that you're supporting greedy companies who use your naivete without even realizing your folly. You think these companies REALLY care about your support of this countries industry? If so then you are mistaken. Volume over dollar. These companies could EASILY sell their products for less. And they would make up for that amount by selling more volume...in strides. Headers sell for over $1500...are you kidding me?? Some exhausts sell for just as much. Really? In 2006 I could have bought a cat-back exhaust with a catted x-pipe for a 2 year old Mustang for around $600. You're telling me that it is more than double that price nowadays? Brand new headers back then (6 years ago) was a fraction of the price they are today. Ok the economy is bad. I get it. But don't you think that some of this is just plain taking advantage? If not, then I feel sorry for you. because all anyone has to do is throw some silly words in the air and you'll support them while they're sitting in mansions partying with your hard earned money.

And what they bank on is that blindly loyal people will support them without question no matter what. Exxon got away with it for years...and they made profits in the billions. And they claimed all along that they had superior gas. Funny how I bought the cheapest gas I could find and never had any issues related to the gas I used. So maybe you're the sell-out. Maybe your sensibilities are being taken advantage of without you even knowing it. Because companies throw out "patriotism" and "support" and every other word they can use. Harley Davidson did that all through the 80's and 90's while building the crappiest bikes on the planet. I've seen parking lots with signs that read "No Foreign Vehicles". Despite the fact that the foreign vehicles were the best and most reliable vehicles at the time.

So you can take your "sell-out" and shove it. You make a superior product...prove to me just how superior it is. Kooks, ARH, and any other brand does not in any way offer any significant superiority over the cheapest Chinese stuff...performance-wise. And nobody can say with any validity that they last longer. 10 years from now, maybe you can have an argument...but not now.

[SPCBA]

thread gets better and better. still amused that the supposed ultra cool guy weld/metallurgy expert is trying to compare us ss to chinese ss. 304L and 316 of US standards is much different than a country with no standards selling products to the evil and hated western consumers. god damn capitalism and freedom!

i love america. i would tariff the shit out of china (to make their crap not affordable in this country) and treat them like the enemy of my country and the entire free world that they are.

i wonder where people get these 2000+ dollar kooks from....they must be like titanium headers. i wonder how different the price of kooks would be (from the actual price not the made up 2k bs) if there wasnt a theft of their design that undercuts them.

[Mr. Unassailable]

This thread gets better and better. I'm still amused that supposed ultra cool guy with no idea what he is talking about is trying to compare his opinion to the likes of supposed ultra cool guy that knows what he is talking about. 304L and 316, hell 347H and E309 welding rods for that matter all magically change composition when they travel across an Ocean, forgot about that... My bad. Bla Bla insert political BS.

I'd love to see America stop putting small businesses out of business and stop forcing companies to send their work overseas just to make things without losing money or ripping people off. Not really sure why you want to kill China, as they are holding most of our National Debt... More political BS that I care nothing about...

I guess I'm busted there. My headers look alot like the ones my dad had on his old Nova when he was in highschool, but we just have polaroids, its hard to tell. Guess Kooks designed them first and EVERY other company knocked them off from them, yes including BUT NOT LIMITED TO the ones that are produced over seas. I really wonder why headers still look like they did 40 years ago, that R & D back in the 50s must of cost a FORTUNE if companies are still recovering their losses from it.

Oh, don't look now but retail on some Camaro Kooks headers is $1590. Oh you want to add cats? That's going to run you about $450. Oh, addition.... Not sure if I remember that one but I'll give it a shot. umm... carry the 11.. drop the 2... Oh man.. I'm having a hard time with this one. Can someone add that up for me and then tack on some shipping charges?

And before you go there, I'll just quote my unedited post from above.

Originally Posted by Mr. Unassailable

Being as your 2,200 kooks are about $100 of material and 2,100 in labor. Minus the cost of the cats of course.
.

Now what was the issue with that? You people are impossible. I surrender to your ignorance. Lets just be retarded together and blindly throw money at 50 year old designs that are made of metal and nothing else.






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For the guy that will post this..

Originally Posted by family man

It's pretty easy to stay up all night when you go in at 6PM and get off at 6:30AM.... Nice try though. All these posts are from my office, in a refinery, where I am reviewing reports from our technicians which are inspecting the components of one of the units in the refinery.

[VADER SS L99]

Wow, love these threads. Even IF, and thats a big if the China made knockoffs were as good as the 100percent US made headers I would still buy the US made headers because I like to support US workers whenever I can. With almost everything else you are pretty much forced to support a foriegn nation in tons of stuff that you have to buy on a weekly basis but gladly performance parts for an American car is not one of them. It will be though just like eveything else if poeple keep buying the foreign stuff. Just like everything else US companies wont be able to compete and they will be forced to outsource their parts, materials and labor overseas or risk going out of buisness. I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do with their money because its a free country. I just want everyone to be aware of what happens when enough people have the same idea of trying to save money on a product.

[family man]

[cam62]

Originally Posted by family man

Too funny!

[thahemp]

Originally Posted by Mr. Unassailable

I'd like to see your metallurgical report to support this claim.


- Clayton. Official C5Fail4 hater.

Actually I'd like to see your metallurgical report that you claim to have done on your headers. You've already posted the chart for us to compare it to. Let's see it.

[Camarojt]

Guys, just to clear things up, I didn't want a thread about China Vs USA metal. This thread went about as far South as what I feared it would.

My reason for the thread to begin with is to ask for solutions for ANY BRAND of header that hits the steering shaft. I posted several links showing that yes even the more expensive brands occasionally have fitment issues and then I also said that IMO that the majority of these problems were probably from how the motors are slightly sitting to 1 side on the motor mounts by 1/16 of an inch.

I personally would like to see some investigating in this area, instead if it always being the headers fault.
I have nothing bad to say about any of the top cost headers. They have great workmanship. And if you bought these brands and had no problems, then that is exactly what I like to hear. Happy for all of you that had hassle free installs. But when someone does have an issue, that is not the time to chime in and smart off things like "Did your Chinese header idea backfire in or on your face!" Bc all that shows is disrespect to the OP that just wanted help. Which is also why I flew back into him saying that I'm sure he wouldn't walk up to me at the track in person and Smart off that same comment!
First off I was told my headers were NOT made in China. Honestly I didn't care either way, just like all if you that have bought Stainless Power or Pacesetter, or JBA, or TSP or OBX also didn't care that they weren't made in the US.

I bought these headers Bc that's what I WANTED. They looked good, they weren't OBX so they weren't a supposedly stolen design. And they were a good deal that besides having a small dent in them, were otherwise fine. Will they last forever?? Idk, ill cross that bridge when I get there. But those are my worries, nobody else's.

I don't see the point in all this arguing. I don't jump on every high priced header thread spouting off at how bad they got shafted on the price. Bc it's none of my business as to how someone else spends their money. I do know that if I'm at the track, and a guy asks me for help, I try to help! I don't ask him his brands, his political stance, etc...

That's what this forum should be. Helping out! Not bashing.

If someone asks my experience with Top Speed headers I will tell them the truth. I have nothing to hide. Is there a possibility you might have to dimple 1 tube? Yep! But at 1/3 the price, that is up to you to decide.

[thahemp]

JBA and TSP are american made.

The solution to your problem is to contact the manufacturer and have them fix the problem.

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by thahemp

JBA and TSP are american made.

The solution to your problem is to contact the manufacturer and have them fix the problem.

JBA and TSP are not made in America. Not saying that there is anything wrong with either. They are both great headers but not made in America. Call them and ask them. They will tell you.

[thahemp]

Originally Posted by Camarojt

JBA and TSP are not made in America. Not saying that there is anything wrong with either. They are both great headers but not made in America. Call them and ask them. They will tell you.

That sucks. I'm a little disappointed in Texas Speed. You're right though. JBA in Mexico, and TSP in who knows where.

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by thahemp

That sucks. I'm a little disappointed in Texas Speed. You're right though. JBA in Mexico, and TSP in who knows where.

I believe Tsp is made in China. But I spoke to TSP and they were up front and said they don't hide where their headers are made, but also they have a company that they have been using that does all their header builds and that they trust so its still a good header IMO.

TSP is a great option for the price. Haven't heard but maybe 1 complaint on them.